Bleach Chapter 460 Discussion

'You're an idiot. That wasn't a Getsuga Tensho. That was a practice swing." made my FUCKING day. Bleach is finally going back to it's awesome feel and vibe again. Kenpachi, Byakuya, Hitsuguya, Renji and Ikkaku appearing was utter awesome-ness as well. The word awesome is just an understatement to describe how freaking epic this chapter was. Kubo's trolling actually worked, that ass. xD I'm hoping to see Hollow Ichigo return, missed his screams. But yeah, Rukia appearing totally brought Bleach back. Keep it up Kubo, please don't screw up, oh shi-...



LiarK said:
You all argue about theoretical things. Wait for the things to develop, then complain.

Agreed. Knowing Kubo he's bound to give off a trol- I mean plot twist of some kind, heh.

Aaww. now that i think about kubo interview. it might take another 4/5 years for soul king to make appearance. dang. who knows, i will be here and reading manga.

Now to kick Ginjo's ass!

Fai said:
Mormegil said:
Man, these Bleach threads are a mess. Come on. It's as simple as this, guys.



Kubo: OH NOEZ BLEACH IS IN THE BOTTOM 5! I'VE WRITTEN MYSELF INTO A CORNER. TIME TO BRING IN HITSUGAYA!

except that Kubo more than once has said that he cares not about ratings and all that other stuff. her writes what he wants to.



Did Kubo say he doesn't give a fuck about rating and OTHER STUFF ? Oh no, that's new to me. I thought he tried his best. Well, good to hear he ain't stupid, just trolling. I bet even Kubo thinks Bleach is ridiculous.

Monad said:
Arashi89 said:


I don't even know why everyone thinks that Aizen is some sort of fallen hero trying to subvert the Soul King's government.



Even though Fai might be posting in Bleach manga threads as much as everyone else together he still isn't "everyone" but just "one".



Aizen isn't viewed like a fallen hero at all. Even if Soul King is some bad existence, Aizen wasn't a freedom fighter or anything like that. More like a crazy dangerous dude trying to replace some other possible dangerous dude.





Oh but thats exactly what Fallen hero is. A guy has a great idea, starts to go towards it and somewhere along the way looses the road he has taken for a more extreme and more villainous acts towards his goal.



While we do not know Aizen's backstory to know it clear (for all we know he could be a long lost kurosaki family member or something, which would explain a lot of things about him), from how Ichigo views aizen's "heart", its quite clear that he is someone who has lost his way and just stopped caring about anything but end result in the end.



he is not anti-hero. There's no excuse for his cations and his means certainly were too deranged to be justified by the ends.  darth vader, darth revan, are also good examples of fallen heroes(yes i do not accept the existence of prequels) who lost their way for their goals, resulting in many atrocious and inexcusable acts.

Dishy said:
Am I the only person who thinks that Kubo's art is just getting worse?

Quote from my review;



Art:



At the beginning, there was one. It was messy and reader didn't always get what was happening. So it got fix'd and turned into "lines." No ink is wasted anymore.



But it has been worse than it's now.

Fai said:

Arashi89 said:
Yamamoto was seething with rage against Aizen right from the start of the battle of Fake Karakura;

Thats rage. not hatred. Fits with the idea of character. Yamaji has no personal reason to support Ichigo or to hate Aizen. And I am pretty sure that whatever he feels, his regard to honor the laws of his lieges and bushido code negates any of it as unimportant.



Arashi89 said:


I'm sure that Kira,

He had more unresolved stuff for Gin than Aizen. And yet again no outright real hate.  NO bloodlusted kill intent.



Arashi89 said:
  Hisagi and Komamura

You seriously are comparing the death of one's friend to being made to stab the person you hold dearest? you can't be serious.



Arashi89 said:
Shinji hated Aizen, but also every single Vizard for condemning them to exile;

But only Shinji did Aizen outsmart completely.

Aizen used other vaizards.

Aizen played around and in sense, humiliated Shinji. Not comparable.



Arashi89 said:


and Ichigo's friends, well, Ulquiorra was an espada, i.e. Aizen's lackey, and we all know what he did to Orihime.



And Orihime came unharmed completely out of all that.  Even though we do not know what ELSE did he do to her(ongoing plotpoint).



Aizen was just another enemy. Ichigo probably felt more hatred for Byakuya than Aizen back then.



Aizen only started to try to give Ichigo reason's to despise him during fkt.

Arashi89 said:


The only ones that could consider him just a plain rouge shinigami would be the marginal members of the SS, but seeing the massacre he did there I'm sure it became personal.

Erm. no. as of above. no.



Considering you know everything about bleach, even hatred inside a person heart. I can see Aizen becoming "fallen hero" for everyone in just few chapters. Ichigo already sympathize him a little bit in the end for his sissy act and it just matter of time to see everyone joining forces with him in order to attack on soul king.



Well. too good for Kubo, bleach franchise is big. so whatever he do with his story, it's seems really difficult for bleach to get canceled.

Aizen had an arrancar absorb Yamamoto's power, and when it was to explode, Yamamoto covered him with himself. Therefore,  he was technically defeated by his own power, and not by Aizen.