Bleach Chapter 460 Discussion

I didn't think this chapter was epic at all, more like ok thanks for almost ending this arc kubo. And yes that is zangetsu, I was reading all the comments and I can't believe someone actually used isshin's sword as an example. If you read the chapter just before ichigo starts training for FGT his father even states that his sword name is engetsu and why it didn't want to teach him the FGT either.

Karhu said:
Han-yuu said:
It won't make any sense if aizen turn into fallen hero and soul king super bad villain unless kubo really want to ruin his story more than he already did.

"I guess I'll have to use that one then."



Please, don't give Kubo another shitty ideas. He might be watching here, right now.

Man, these Bleach threads are a mess. Come on. It's as simple as this, guys.



Kubo: OH NOEZ BLEACH IS IN THE BOTTOM 5! I'VE WRITTEN MYSELF INTO A CORNER. TIME TO BRING IN HITSUGAYA!

Fai said:
Karhu said:
Fai said:


Dishy said:
Am I the only person who thinks that Kubo's art is just getting worse?

Yes you are. Kubo's art has majorly improved over the years, especially the facial expressions and how he uses shading. Yes he does not use backgrounds, but his art itself has been majorly improved from self-cartoonish one this manga started in. I'd say out of the HST, his art is the best.



Fai, you realize that you are the only one to say the opposite so far? And also, WTF am I reading here.



and you do realize, kind sir, that you are what we normal people call "vocal minority"? right?

Since we are talking about Bleach, normal people means either teens, fan boys or those who has zero experience of any other kinda manga than shonen, then I'm glad to be out of that circle.

lucjan said:
Hypno-girl said:
BlackStonesBLAST said:
Yes ofc thats true but think about this when he fought aizen he did 200 years worth of training in 20 min i think it was? if im not wrong.. and that was also becuse he was gonna use the final getsuga tensho.. but yaa maybe he´s weaker maybe he´s stronger i dont know, but i think and hope he is stronger then when he lost to ichimaru and aizen when they fighted in the fake karakura town.



anyway we will know in the next chapter i hope :)



If I recall correctly he did something like 10 years of training in 1h.

Also shinigami existed for centuries and not once a (known to us) shinigami reached Ichigo's strengh let forget in ten years of training.

You guys both just lost all credibility in your arguments. I mean hell, I barely even pay attention to the manga anymore, and even I can get the time's right. Ichigo trained for 2000 hours in his spirit world, and it took up 1 hour in the dangai world. Seriously, pay attention.



Not remembering it correctly I streched up the whole thing so that this couldn't serve as an argument anyway.

So yeah Ichigo trained for 2000 hours, just change it for that in my argument and you'll see that it reach the actual same point.



Han-yuu said:
Actually i'm reading this "fallen hero" and "evil king" speculation here on MAL ever since aizen got defeated by ichigo and Fai thought Urahara is the true bad guy siding with evil king and the way you guys talk seems like fact and not speculation as Kubo himself debating here and know what is coming next.  I'm desperately waiting for next arc to see how it will turn out.



Still i wonder how the king is evil when aizen didn't get a chance to see him and did he killed humans and shinigamis or planning something like world destruction? and if aizen get hold on evil king true plans why he didn't even try to explain it to everyone and it's seems like i'm reading a different manga. dang. forget it.



I hardly see how you cannot see Aizen as a 'fallen hero'

Aizen represent change, he want to change the world for what he think is the best for it, he do not seek power neither to rule, he want the things that is the Soul king to disapear and that for the sake of the world and he is ready to use any means to pull it of.



Aizen SEEN the soul king and that's what pushed him to do what he did. Most reader see the Soul king as a persona, a character but it could be nothing but an existence, the incarnation of the system, how the world is going, etc.

An exemple could be that the soul king is responsible for the shinigami and hollow being created resulting in an endless loop of fighting forever and ever. Aizen could have meant to change that way the world is working for a better future.



Also I would like to point out that I do not have to always state 'I think that' before anything I say for it to be my personnal opinion. Quite the opposite actualy I should only say that things are fact if I happen to rely on them so I would suggest people to get off their horses because I clearly never said that any of my assumption were fact but rather that they were based on fact. That's very different.

Just waiting for his Hollow half to awaken again, and maybe interfere with the killing of Ginjou..

Robbini said:
Aizen had an arrancar absorb Yamamoto's power, and when it was to explode, Yamamoto covered him with himself. Therefore,  he was technically defeated by his own power, and not by Aizen.



And?



We never questioned weither Aizen back in shinigami form had more firepower than Yamamoto or not. We just said that he was stronger, and being stronger imply other thing than firepower alone.

Everything is allowed in a fight, it must not have been fairplay but that arrancar was made with Aizen's ability so it served as Aizen's weapon.

A fight is 50% power and 50% thinking, Aizen proved that without having as much fire power as the captain general he was able to defeat him because of his well thought plan.

If they were to fight again it might not have ended the same way but that actually does not matter as this could be said to most fight in Bleach anyway.

Hypno-girl said:
Mormegil said:
Man, these Bleach threads are a mess. Come on. It's as simple as this, guys.



Kubo: OH NOEZ BLEACH IS IN THE BOTTOM 5! I'VE WRITTEN MYSELF INTO A CORNER. TIME TO BRING IN HITSUGAYA!



If Kubo didn't care about the story and thought that bringing Hitsugaya would up his ranking then instead of the fabulous fullbring arc we had we would have had shitty bishie training.Fai said:
Mormegil said:
Man, these Bleach threads are a mess. Come on. It's as simple as this, guys.



Kubo: OH NOEZ BLEACH IS IN THE BOTTOM 5! I'VE WRITTEN MYSELF INTO A CORNER. TIME TO BRING IN HITSUGAYA!

except that Kubo more than once has said that he cares not about ratings and all that other stuff. her writes what he wants to.



@Hypno-girl: Now, the cases here are just 2: you're an absent-minded person, or you're shamelessly lying. Hitsugaya is the fanservice character, here for the public because they like it before anyone else. There have been countless chapters dedicated to him and his fights are always longer than any other shinigami. And for the record, remember the appearance of the capitains in this chapter (I hope you haven't forgotten it already)? A trick to boost the ranking of Bleach. Kubo is appealing to the fanboys, hoping that this will help him to get back on his feet.



@Fai: That's pure nonsense, plain and simple. Every manga publisher in Japan is a company with the aim of the profit first and foremost. If you don't agree to what the editors say, you get cancelled and go back to draw doujinshi. Considering the fact that just a few weeks ago Bleach was for the first time in the bottom 5 (the first time for one of the big 3) and it remained there for a while, it's no wonder that Kubo tried to return to his old ways, in order to return to the top ranking.



Anyway, I see nobody is actually debating with me. Wonderful. I guess my arguments are completely right and I've proven that Bleach is crap.