Bleach Chapter 460 Discussion
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- #6
eh only good thing was seeing the shinigamis again. this whole arc just seems pointless if they were going to help him regain his powers anyway. Ginjou and the other loser seem so outclassed at this point.
Me too I thought like that but, the interest of this arc is What Ginjo will do with the fullbring of Itchigo
It is obvious he will find a way to escape...the classic scenario !!!
- #9
It was pretty obvious that the reunion was going to be comedic, but still interesting to watch nonetheless.
LOL I thought Ikkaku would get some hair by now. That would have been the best time skip result I have ever seen.
- #10
What i said in previous chapter. Kubo better start explaining or this whole arc was useless to give ichigo his powers with new random characters nothing more unless proven from chapters and not speculation, i have Reading/Watching comprehension.
1. We know Ginjou has an extensive information about Isshin and seems to know him.
2. We know Tsukishima is intensely hiding from someone not wanting to appear in camera or recordings.
3. We know xcution/fullbringers need Ichigo's fb for some reason, most likely connected to him being kurosaki.
4. We know someone else had similar fullbring to Ichigo's and Ginjou was reminded of it.
5. We know everyone of fullbringers, including ginjou (used to)go to same private school in which tsukishima is a teacher. That is important.
6. Kubo made sure that both Chad and Orihime would hold back against Ichigo and NOT use their new techniques. And he made sure to point that out so they most likely are a lot more stronger.
Its clear that htis arc has a higher purpose. Its just that most of people assumed its "regain powers" arc while Ichigo's fullbring was never portrayed or treated as power-up and was not the focus of this arc.
- #12
So funny hearing somebody say that the point of this arc was NOT Ichigo getting his power back ... everybody would keep saying "this way you will get your shinigami powers back", "your shinigami power fusing with your new fullbring will lead to a far stronger source of power" ....
Aizen also said that Ichigo has no reiatsu, which was bullshit not-true. Ukitake said that shinigami badge is just a representation of him being shinigami substitute, which was also bullshit.
The training was about regaining his powers. But the story itself was not.
Reading comprehension involves no longer taking everything someone says at face value.
ElMorty said:
but no, it's not all about Ichigo, the main chara, who is now defenseless, getting his power (ANY power) back in order to be able to fight again ...
His desperation for power was part of plot and might as well play the role, considering how SS might react to him seeking hollow-power intentionally. SS certainly has some ominous interest in it going by badge's dialogue.
ElMorty said:
the main chara loses his power and cannot compete with the weakest of his enemies ... the result is: next arc will alternatively lead to the end of the manga, or to the main chara being able to fight again, with any power available
Yes, Ichigo's motivation was about regaining the power. However storytelling did not portray that power as power up. Did you decade ago complain that "omg greymon evolved into skullgreymon and now they throw away that power up for a new form one episode later, omg stupid"? The portrayal of this was not about power up itself.
ElMorty said:
Lacking reading comprehension does not prevent me to comprehend this, because it is something one doesn't need even to read half a chapter to know ...
explains why you can't comprehend it.
ElMorty said:
That said, @Hypno-girl: about your theory regarding SS reproaching Ichigo something ... it's really interesting, and would give a purpose to this whole arc! Only, I couldn't find anything supporting this theory in any chapter ... if you know any, would you please report me any scene doing so?
the badge dialogue implying Rukia was at conflict of opinion over something Ichigo has done and ginjou's ominous glance at that.
The fact that SS is VERY strict on executing anyone who pursues hollow powers intentionally and fb is a hollow-nature power.
The fact that SS has people like Mayuri who would more than likely support condemnation of Ichigo, both due to grudge and so he can't intrude on his plot of what he found in hm.
ElMorty said:
And also, I'm yet not that sure that Ichigo is the strongest in the Gotei 13: I don't know much about SS hierarchy, but captain grandpa should be part of it, and captain grab-ass and captain tuberculosis are surly in it! And I wouldn't be that sure that Ichigo is stronger than them! ^^
BASE-Aizen blitzed and one-hit-ko'd Shunsui, Ukitake, Shinji, etc.
Base Aizen dealt with Yamamoto's most powerful pre-bankai attack and tanked it.
Dangai-Ichigo played around Seraphim-Aizen who is 3 forms above base aizen.
Dangai Ichigo played around Monster-Aizen who is 4 forms above base aizen.
Yama is powerful and a powerhouse but he is nowhere near Ichigo's current height of power.
ElMorty said:
Other thing: it's known if all FB user are on the same side as Ginjou and Tsukushima: it was once said by Ginjou that FB user need a half shinigami half FB user in order to free themselves from their FB powers, which are related to the hollow world ... but now I guess Ichigo's not able to do such a thing anymore, since his FB has been stolen! So what use is to Ginjou stealing is power is still unknown ... "hunger of power"? Maybe ... maybe not!
And you failed to notice that this implies that Ginjou IS half-shinigami how?
only shinigami/fb hybrid can steal fb powers -> ginjou steals Ichigo's fb -> Ginjou is shinigami-fb-hybrid he told Ichigo Tsuki killed.
ElMorty said:
About this arc being useless: I now think the only interesting thing about it could be Ginjou and Tsukushima's connection with the kurosakis and SS ...
but everything else just seems to me without any purpose (I didn't see any development in Ichigo's character, nor in anyone else's, and the introduction from charas other then Ginjou and Tsukushima doesn't seem so important ...)
Badge - which has been hinted to have a big importance ever since ukitake gave it to him.
God-knows-what-the-fb-goal-is.
Isshin backstory possibility.
One of biggest mysteries in manga, the kurosaki family background revealed a bit in this arc's future(as kurosaki family background is what kubo listed as one of the gamechangers on how one would view entire plot, others being stuff like aizen's connection to isshin and badge and etc).
ElMorty said:
Still I've got this impression that everything is a bit 'too cumbersome, and could have been easily simplified!
You are talking about mangaka who re-created the major plotpoints of new testament through karakura-arc. :)
Montrovant1488 said:
I don't know why I keep reading this shit, Ichigo's so over-powered it doesn't make sense, I think I deign reading this out of a sense of morbidity, and to re-affirm my believe that this will end as a piece of crap. (After Aizen, Bleach lost its Raison d'Etre, otherwise I wouldn't be calling this a piece of shit, and to all butthurts out there, you can take two more inches, as you are free to show your fanboyism I am free to take a dump on it).
I love how people like this one seem to conveniently forget that Ichigo will need to face cosmic horrors like royal guards and soul king(aka the thing that is connected to ENTIRE UNIVERSE) latter on...
Aizen is the disk-one boss who latter on helps the hero.
SK is the real badguy out there.
- #13
I am very happyyyyyyyy !!!
A very awesome chapter, the best, I make a big clap hand for Tite Kubo…. Why ???
Because this chapter is a message for someone like Mr Fay and Mrs Hypnos-girl who think they have the absolute truth and look down on me...
So now all the Fullbringers can run away as Usain Bolt... If they have the time, of course !!!
Oh please elaborate my dear,
What did I said in earlier thread that do contradict anything this chapter brought up? Let's hear you.