Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

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  • #58
Phew, this chapter really left my thoughts in complete shambles.  The sex scene was a shock, but I don't really feel focused on it.  It felt like a bitter after thought in the wake of much heartbreak.  Yuuki has become a tragic character because even though what she felt for Zero was true love, she sacrificed that for a sense of duty towards Kaname.  It's as Kaname said, that his love for her will never make her truly smile.



Another thing I think of is how sex is a very intimate act between humans.  For vampires, however, their fangs have often been their greatest expressions of their love.  Honestly, Yuuki sinking her fangs into Zero in order to free him was a far more passionate act on her part.  I can actually respect the direction her character has gone.  I'll admit I used to think Zero x Yuuki would be perfect, but the latest chapters have made it clear that it was the happiness that neither of them could ever attain.  It looks like rather than a positive message about humans & vampires coexisting at Cross Academy, VK is going to end with the theme that the nature between the two species is simply too great to completely close through good will.
 
  • #59
Barbara-chan said:
Ok.... Now I really want to drop this manga.... I hate Kaname, I hate the mangaka, I hate Yuuki. And when I saw that Yuuki is going to be with Kaname... and had sex ok now I really want to drop it or the manga have a really really unhappy ending like Kaname or Yuuki dies. I hope some of them die, really...

In the beginning I loved the manga, now I really hate...

I just read it because I'm this far and it is soon end, but I hope it's not going to be a happy ending.... I'm predicting Kaname's death, Yuuki's becoming human, and Zero I dunno since Hino seems to love torturing him though I hope he either gets the girl he loves (Yuuki), whether she's deserving or not, or moves to a different more deserving girl (Yori, Maria, or even Shindo (I had to look up her name but now I know xD). Though I'll keep reading and hope Hino does a better chapter next time that fixes some of the b.s. in this last chapter. I personally think this chapter was just an intentional troll move by Hino after 87-88 but she's stuck with it now.
 
  • #60
Pandita088 said:
I always shipped Kaname x Yuuki... But... Wow, I didn't expected that.



Yuuki = SLUT. That's all.



It seems that twilight a better story afterall
 
  • #61
Takashi981 said:
windeen-windy said:

Angeleyes991 said:
To me this chapter is tying lose ends and of course stating important things.



1) The most important part is that Yuuki erased Zero's memories in order to "save him". I believe Zero's hunger was killing him because he only desired Yuuki and her love when he doesn't get it, he is basically starving. Also, by disappearing from Zero's life, i feel that Yuuki is no longer attached and is free to return to Kaname without worrying about Zero.

2) It felt to fast the moment when kaname and Yuuki finally give into there love, it seems as though the whole relationship will end up horribly.

3) Finally! The final villain has appear, the Toumas!

4)Aido's dad is alive! Big shocker there! ~sarcasm~



I really am trying to put together the whole manga but its been very difficult. Please don't give up on the manga because its really good. Just got to look deeper to understand all the psychological warfare in it!







Pretty much agree with most of the above quote.

It's part of the reason I am still holding out a sliver of hope for Zeki. I'm not delusional either >_> There are definitely ways it could work.







Some reasons:

#1) He said; "If you don't know where your heart belongs, I'll show you- if your ok with someone like me" <-- She's a very confused teenager. Now, I'm not saying I agree with what they did. However I can see her deciding that, after that, she didn't love him in that way.



#2) I think she loves Zero as a lover. And Kaname as a brother. It's clear he cares for her but seems to have already given up on her romantically, from my pov anyway.

Mainly what makes me believe this the most is the small convo between page 33 and 34. To me, that sounds like a confused girl in love but no longer sure who she is in love with, or what her feelings for Kaname are. And outside forces aren't helping her confusion any.



#3) Page 40, where the scene that's being talked about most is, the close up of her face looks (to me) like a girl who has had a realization and isn't too happy with it. That could be interpreted any number of ways, I agree.

But that's my take on it. She doesn't look the least bit happy to me, I think she's regretting what she's doing as she's doing it and realizing who she really loves.



#4) Kaname's plan may be to ultimately bite her, and remove her memories of himself, then leave before she wakes up. If he were to do that, I think I may start to love him again. She said it herself, he could have erased her memories of Zero, but in saying that, she might have given him an idea about erasing himself instead, it's just a thought, but one I really love, even though I can already see a few ways that would also turn into a disaster.

The situation she was last in, that would get her to let her guard down completely, even if she decided she loved Zero as a lover, and Kaname as a brother.







I can understand how Zero lovers (Which I am one) can hate her easily for her choices and that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. However, I think she shouldn't be hated because she's portrayed as a confused girl. I think Hino is drawing it out far too much honestly though in her attempt to make Yuuki seem real.

When she tries to make things better- she seems to make Yuuki's situation 10 x's worse.

However, I can still see a number of ways each character can change the situation for the better.

I can also see some that would make things appallingly worse.



Until I see her say firmly in a chapter and make the motions to back up what she says, who she loves one way or the other, or until she's dead, or until she does something to make me lose any hope or faith in the character, I will continue to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I can't bring myself to like Kaname again. I did once. But he has done very little to make me go back to liking him.

I like Yuuki and Zero both.



But I don't necessarily want to see the characters together as things stand.

I'm just stating my reasoning for not hating or giving up on her.

At the moment, I think pairings of Zero x Yori; Aidou x Yuuki and Kaname x Furnace are more to my liking.... but again, thats just my opinion.... and there is the Zero x Yuuki Pairing that I always loved. That I would  only be happy about if it twisted a bit more into something where it would seem natural for them.



I think the fact that Yuki's tears can be interpreted differently is what makes it even more confusing.



When I read it at first I was really confused but now that I thought about it more, it does make sense ...



The whole "sex scene" was not as detailed... Normally when a girl actually gets with their significant other the mangaka makes the moment more... magical??





I think it would have a bit more time spent on it, yes. That's another reason I think people should try to not jump to conclusions either.

As I said before, this could go in SO many different directions and twist further in so many ways.
 
  • #62
Narutowolf77 said:


That's very well said :)



Thank you! =)



ragingx said:
I just noticed this but its yet another thing about this chapter that was completely out of sync with where the story was at. Kaien said in the past that he wouldn't hand Yuuki over to Kaname, then he hands her to him going against his own words? Seriously Hino what were you thinking when writing this chapter =.=



I think Kaien understands that telling Yuki to go to Zero wouldn't be right or make sense. He doesn't remember her.



Also, it's better that they stay apart now, at least until Yuki sorts herself out emotionally so that she doesn't screw things up further. (Though that's bound to happen anyway. :P)



We can see that Kaien is still apprehensive about it just by looking at his expression. He doesn't look pleased about anything right now and I'm sure there's a lot that he wants to say and get off his chest, but Hino hasn't given him that chance.



Boy, am I waiting for that. I love it when Kaien goes into badass mode. XD



He almost did a second before on Kaname but Yuki yelled at him. That really sucked. They both need a grilling for the total mess they've caused. .-.
 
  • #63
Sex scene? Yume sex scene? O.O Wow, I never thought I would live to see this day. My inner Yume fangirl is slowly dying from happiness. My sane part wants to burn whoever told Hino to continue this post-time skip. At this point it's SUCH A MESS that the only thing that could save it would be redoing the manga from scratch. With different characters, please. And at first Hino-sensei should decide WHICH couple she wants to make happen. Writing this different-couple-in-every-chapter-ish style isn't really cutting it for me. Now, excuse me, please, ladies and gentlemen, I shall be part of this conversation no more. OMG!!! Kaname/Yuuki sex scene!!! Hell yeah!!1!!one!!eleven!!



Lulexiaa said:


All thats concluding is my mind is that long ago Kaname 'left' Yuuki and was called a traitor and he made Yuuki hurt so then she flies back to Zero, they dance tralalala, its Zero x Yuuki time, STUFF HAPPENS, Kaname is back, MORE STUFF HAPPENS, something happenes with Zero(??) which leads to Kaname x Yuuki again, they kiss, make up, have sex....



It's kind of scary how accurate this is. Makes me wonder where the plot went. What's the plot at this point anyway?
 
  • #64
AmrodAegnor said:
I'm disappointed, Hino-sensei. I'v been saying that with each new installment i read, and each one makes me more and more disappointed than the last
 
  • #65
IchigoHollowfi said:
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I still believe in Yuuki x Zero D:!
 
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