Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

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windeen-windy said:
Angeleyes991 said:
To me this chapter is tying lose ends and of course stating important things.



1) The most important part is that Yuuki erased Zero's memories in order to "save him". I believe Zero's hunger was killing him because he only desired Yuuki and her love when he doesn't get it, he is basically starving. Also, by disappearing from Zero's life, i feel that Yuuki is no longer attached and is free to return to Kaname without worrying about Zero.

2) It felt to fast the moment when kaname and Yuuki finally give into there love, it seems as though the whole relationship will end up horribly.

3) Finally! The final villain has appear, the Toumas!

4)Aido's dad is alive! Big shocker there! ~sarcasm~



I really am trying to put together the whole manga but its been very difficult. Please don't give up on the manga because its really good. Just got to look deeper to understand all the psychological warfare in it!







Pretty much agree with most of the above quote.

It's part of the reason I am still holding out a sliver of hope for Zeki. I'm not delusional either >_> There are definitely ways it could work.







Some reasons:

#1) He said; "If you don't know where your heart belongs, I'll show you- if your ok with someone like me" <-- She's a very confused teenager. Now, I'm not saying I agree with what they did. However I can see her deciding that, after that, she didn't love him in that way.



#2) I think she loves Zero as a lover. And Kaname as a brother. It's clear he cares for her but seems to have already given up on her romantically, from my pov anyway.

Mainly what makes me believe this the most is the small convo between page 33 and 34. To me, that sounds like a confused girl in love but no longer sure who she is in love with, or what her feelings for Kaname are. And outside forces aren't helping her confusion any.



#3) Page 40, where the scene that's being talked about most is, the close up of her face looks (to me) like a girl who has had a realization and isn't too happy with it. That could be interpreted any number of ways, I agree.

But that's my take on it. She doesn't look the least bit happy to me, I think she's regretting what she's doing as she's doing it and realizing who she really loves.



#4) Kaname's plan may be to ultimately bite her, and remove her memories of himself, then leave before she wakes up. If he were to do that, I think I may start to love him again. She said it herself, he could have erased her memories of Zero, but in saying that, she might have given him an idea about erasing himself instead, it's just a thought, but one I really love, even though I can already see a few ways that would also turn into a disaster.

The situation she was last in, that would get her to let her guard down completely, even if she decided she loved Zero as a lover, and Kaname as a brother.







I can understand how Zero lovers (Which I am one) can hate her easily for her choices and that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. However, I think she shouldn't be hated because she's portrayed as a confused girl. I think Hino is drawing it out far too much honestly though in her attempt to make Yuuki seem real.

When she tries to make things better- she seems to make Yuuki's situation 10 x's worse.

However, I can still see a number of ways each character can change the situation for the better.

I can also see some that would make things appallingly worse.



Until I see her say firmly in a chapter and make the motions to back up what she says, who she loves one way or the other, or until she's dead, or until she does something to make me lose any hope or faith in the character, I will continue to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I can't bring myself to like Kaname again. I did once. But he has done very little to make me go back to liking him.

I like Yuuki and Zero both.



But I don't necessarily want to see the characters together as things stand.

I'm just stating my reasoning for not hating or giving up on her.

At the moment, I think pairings of Zero x Yori; Aidou x Yuuki and Kaname x Furnace are more to my liking.... but again, thats just my opinion.... and there is the Zero x Yuuki Pairing that I always loved. That I would  only be happy about if it twisted a bit more into something where it would seem natural for them.



I think the fact that Yuki's tears can be interpreted differently is what makes it even more confusing.



When I read it at first I was really confused but now that I thought about it more, it does make sense ...



The whole "sex scene" was not as detailed... Normally when a girl actually gets with their significant other the mangaka makes the moment more... magical??
 
  • #75
5) Yuuki sacrifices herself to turn Kaname human and he starts a relationship with Zero (and the KaZe fans yell 'Told you it wasn't impossible



It would be a perfect ending !!!! Remove/kill the source (yuuki) of all the problems xD

And both kamame and zero fans will be happy !!! Ending the feud between kaname and zero fans !!!
 
  • #76
Angeleyes991 said:
To me this chapter is tying lose ends and of course stating important things.



1) The most important part is that Yuuki erased Zero's memories in order to "save him". I believe Zero's hunger was killing him because he only desired Yuuki and her love when he doesn't get it, he is basically starving. Also, by disappearing from Zero's life, i feel that Yuuki is no longer attached and is free to return to Kaname without worrying about Zero.

2) It felt to fast the moment when kaname and Yuuki finally give into there love, it seems as though the whole relationship will end up horribly.

3) Finally! The final villain has appear, the Toumas!

4)Aido's dad is alive! Big shocker there! ~sarcasm~



I really am trying to put together the whole manga but its been very difficult. Please don't give up on the manga because its really good. Just got to look deeper to understand all the psychological warfare in it!







Pretty much agree with most of the above quote.

It's part of the reason I am still holding out a sliver of hope for Zeki. I'm not delusional either >_> There are definitely ways it could work.







Some reasons:

#1) He said; "If you don't know where your heart belongs, I'll show you- if your ok with someone like me" <-- She's a very confused teenager. Now, I'm not saying I agree with what they did. However I can see her deciding that, after that, she didn't love him in that way.



#2) I think she loves Zero as a lover. And Kaname as a brother. It's clear he cares for her but seems to have already given up on her romantically, from my pov anyway.

Mainly what makes me believe this the most is the small convo between page 33 and 34. To me, that sounds like a confused girl in love but no longer sure who she is in love with, or what her feelings for Kaname are. And outside forces aren't helping her confusion any.



#3) Page 40, where the scene that's being talked about most is, the close up of her face looks (to me) like a girl who has had a realization and isn't too happy with it. That could be interpreted any number of ways, I agree.

But that's my take on it. She doesn't look the least bit happy to me, I think she's regretting what she's doing as she's doing it and realizing who she really loves.



#4) Kaname's plan may be to ultimately bite her, and remove her memories of himself, then leave before she wakes up. If he were to do that, I think I may start to love him again. She said it herself, he could have erased her memories of Zero, but in saying that, she might have given him an idea about erasing himself instead, it's just a thought, but one I really love, even though I can already see a few ways that would also turn into a disaster.

The situation she was last in, that would get her to let her guard down completely, even if she decided she loved Zero as a lover, and Kaname as a brother.







I can understand how Zero lovers (Which I am one) can hate her easily for her choices and that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. However, I think she shouldn't be hated because she's portrayed as a confused girl. I think Hino is drawing it out far too much honestly though in her attempt to make Yuuki seem real.

When she tries to make things better- she seems to make Yuuki's situation 10 x's worse.

However, I can still see a number of ways each character can change the situation for the better.

I can also see some that would make things appallingly worse.



Until I see her say firmly in a chapter and make the motions to back up what she says, who she loves one way or the other, or until she's dead, or until she does something to make me lose any hope or faith in the character, I will continue to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I can't bring myself to like Kaname again. I did once. But he has done very little to make me go back to liking him.

I like Yuuki and Zero both.



But I don't necessarily want to see the characters together as things stand.

I'm just stating my reasoning for not hating or giving up on her.

At the moment, I think pairings of Zero x Yori; Aidou x Yuuki and Kaname x Furnace are more to my liking.... but again, thats just my opinion.... and there is the Zero x Yuuki Pairing that I always loved. That I would  only be happy about if it twisted a bit more into something where it would seem natural for them.
 
  • #77
Orulyon said:


                       

Congrats Yume shippers and from the bottom of my heart with all the honesty, Im truly wishing that Yuuki stays with Kaname forever (no, Im not being sarcastic) and truly wishing that Zero never remembers her face again.





That is exactly how I feel. I want yuki and kaname to die like they both want to, and Zero to go on in ignorant bliss! 'Cause if it ends with the whole Zero raising Kaname's baby thing.. So help me!!  I'm sick of him getting crapped on, so he can be the bigger person, Its literally OLD!   Seriously, I will not be happy, and Matsuri Hino will have a 1 star rating and a bad review on every manga series she writes, til the end of time!! I will make sh*t up!!  I will never get the time I have wasted on this series back!



Vampire knight: Twilight for people who hate Twilight. ..



...And don't think I won't know your series if you use an pen name  Hino-san, they are the ones with character bias and stolen plot endings!!   ...Yeah, I'm mad!!
 
  • #78
bittersweetlove said:
I must agree with everyone, Zero deserves someone better, I have loved Zeki for a long time, some chapters gave me hope, but others make me hate Yuuki and call her names...well, for me this one was the end of it.

I think he would be happier with Maria or maybe Sayori, but Maria is my fave to end up with him now. If he can be happy with either of these I too would go with either of them, and I agree that I like Maria since she's the most like Yuuki thus probably the most compatible with Zero. Just a matter of could Zero be actually happy with them or would his stupid heart continue to yearn for Yuuki =.= sometimes the heart can indeed be a foolish thing.
 
  • #79
I dropped this manga, long time ago...

now I saw pictures on tumblr from this chapter and...



THIS IS GREAT!

Zero forget about Yuuki,

so now he can kill her and Kaname without regrets!

and end up with better girl than Yuuki!



I shipped Zeki, even I hated Yuuki, I shipped her with Zero,

because he love her, now when he forget about her

I totally ok with this!

I wish he could find someone better than her and now

when he forget about her can focus and find someone better! *.*



Really! I so happy!

Now Hino-san let somebody to kill Kaname and Yuuki and you can finish this manga already.
 
  • #80
Okay seriously... Yuki is an unconsiderate person.. and honestly she's the most dumbest and cruel heroine I have witnessed. Honestly erased Zero's memories and thinking that could "save him" will lead to worst matters.



And also two-timing? WTF. chapter 88- she kisses Zero and dances with him blah blah, then says shes gunna erase his memories..

chapter 89- she erases Zero's memories, and she knew the truth about Kaname and then kisses him too and later have sex with him.

Now that is my friends a total slut and a whore.



I dont care if she freaking ends up with Kaname or dies, just don't you dare touch or even consider to show your face to Zero, because you are the worst person ever. Zero deserves better than her. I was all out for Zeki ship.. but I lost all my respect to her. Now Yuki Kuran die or have fun eternity with Kaname. Zero can have a yaoi moment with Kaito or he can end up with Yori(IMO she is now my favourite character in this story.. But not sure if she will end up with Zero cause last time I think she started to acknowledge the guy with glasses whos obsessed with Ruka)

[oh and also I don't want Maria to end up with Zero. I really don't like her. She can just go and be with Ichiru in the graveyard or something idk,]

Lets see whats gunna happen to VK next chapter..
 
  • #81
Raven_Shinobi said:
Orulyon said:


Ive been reading this manga until now for the very reason of Zero being there.



I'm the other way around: Kaname is the only saving grace in the manga for me and the reason why I'm still slightly interested in it even though the storyline is a complete wreck XD



I don't mean to add insult to injury, but I'm surprised that Zeki fans had been keeping their hopes up about this pairing all these years.

It was obvious that the manga was heading the Kaname/Yuuki route the moment she regained her memories and decided to leave the academy with him early on. And even before that, the manga had been pro Kaname/Yuuki with Zero getting the short end of the stick. Also, there's the artwork thing: Matsuri did more Kaname/Yuuki artwork than Zeki, which was hinting at her pairing preference. Overall, Kaname and Yuuki ending up together makes much more sense according to what happened so far and would've hurt the already wrecked storyline even more if she out of the blue went for Zero. That's my opinion.



As for Zero, I think Matsuri should've ended the love-triangle halfway through and established a new romantic interest for him. I understand that leaving no doubt early on that this will be a Kaname/Yuuki will result in losing a lot of readers in the west where Zero is more popular than Kaname, but at least would've made the the readers feel less cheated by the end of it.





Yes I agree hino favours kaname more. The story should have ended at season 2 where yuki leaves with him. Going to how the story goes, I hope that there is no season 3 as I don't think it will be popular towards most people. There are still some of my theory which proves that kaname is her vampire knight. For example,  a knight carries a sword after all instead of a pistol.
 
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