Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

ragingx said:




Um don't kill me or anything but what was the chapter that those pages go to and what were we talking about? ._. I completely forgot what we were talking about in the time since we last talked. I've had my head knee-deep in Nisekoi and re-watching Blood Plus so my mind has been distracted ._. like I said don't kill for this.



Well to me this is the only way I don't get annoyed with Kaname constantly doting on her. Well yeah I guess it may be idealism but its just how I see it, might be because I don't have a sister thus I imagine its how I may be towards one. This is one of my reasons for being more for Zeki than Yume (is there a difference between this and KanaYuu? cause I'm really trying not to offend you or anyone else here cause my close friend told me I was a bit too harsh in my last response so I'm honestly trying to watch what I say, ugh I may have been tamed >.>)



Haha, no problem ^.^



It's from chapter 64 (pages 28 and 29)



Here's the quotes from our conversation



ragingx said:


Again Kaname has been in love with the Ancestress, iirc he even saw her in Yuuki though I'll have to go back and look it up later. He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes). She's in love with BOTH Zero and Kaname thus the idea that this could explain her actions falls short.



Narutowolf77 said:


Also I think the moment you're thinking of is in chapter 64:



Kaname internal dialogue: "In my childish mind, I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before. And then, for some reason, I thought, this time I want to keep protecting this warmth."



He could have been referring to the Ancestress when he said "I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before" but it's more likely that it was the 'vision' of Yuuki herself (from earlier in the chapter) that he is referring to.



If you're asking if there's a difference between Yume and KanaYuu then not really, it's just the fans preference for how they refer to the pairing. I use both but tend use Yume more since the romanized version looks like the Japanese word for 'dream' and I kind of feel the word dream is a bit poetic/romantic in a sense ^.^'

ragingx said:
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I have never praised Kaname I acknowledge that he has killed people and has done things he probably shouldn't have but that doesn't make him a bad person as he only has good intentions at heart (hence why he is an anti-hero, I actually wrote an essay about this). Plus most of the people he has killed were not exactly innocents Shizuka wanted to harm Zero and Yuuki, the vampire council was corrupt, and Handagi was planning to kill and drink Aido-dono's blood. The only innocents whose death he was responsible for were Zero's parents. And I don't see how saying Kaname and Yuuki's love is true love degrades what she has with Zero.



Moreover you saying you saying you have been maintaining civility and then saying "Unfortunately my patience only goes so far with people that want to have Kaname praised or his and Yuuki's love seen as 'true love' as if to degrade what Zero and her have. And again if you want to see 'true love' then see Haji and Saya thats 'true love' unlike Kaname's b.s." is complete hypocrisy as it pretty much says I'm stupid for thinking Kaname is worth being forgiven for what he's done and that Yuuki might love him, it's disrespectful to me and my ship.



I'm not even going to bother with the rest as you didn't even look at the evidence I provided to support my opinion (and saying I don't go to manga websites I don't know are safe or use is no excuse as I provided you with chapters and page numbers). And it would be pointless to continue arguing with you since since your "patience only goes so far for people who want Kaname praised or his and Yuuki's love seen as 'true love'."



Good day.

Actually I don't really care whether Yuuki slept with Kaname or whatever bs, I just can't stand the fact that Zero has to be hurt so many times in the manga. The girl he loved turned out to be a pureblood, she left him to go with Kaname. Even though he said he would kill Yuuki, anybody knows that he wouldn't be able to do it. Yuuki came back and rekindled his hopes but again was cruelly rejected. That scene where Yuuki was taking his memories away, the way he begged her not to take his memories away really made me cry. Even if Yuuki didn't like him, what right did she have to take his memories away? His memories of Yuuki were pratically a part of him. Even though he was suffering because of it, taking it away still isn't the option! Why must Zero go through all that? Zero T-T

00kiryu00 said:
I dont care if she freaking ends up with Kaname or dies, just don't you dare touch or even consider to show your face to Zero, because you are the worst person ever. Zero deserves better than her.



This. Although I don't really care anymore.

Kaname is my favorite. ( Zero is really sexy, but Kaname is my type) I like Yuuki too. Kaname x Yuuki... I`m glad! ^^

Polychronicon said:
Through all that suffering Zero deserves BETTER THAN HER



*fixed

...

Well okay then. I think I'm gonna rant a bit.

So Yuuki decides to be "selfless" (haha...) and erases every memory Zero has of her because she knows she causes him pain. I somewhat commend her for that. But if she really thought taking away one of the few people Zero loved was a good choice then...idk. That "girl" is dead anyway.

So after all the bullshit she and her lover/brother/pimp/fiance have caused Zero, I don't think them just simply "leaving him alone" can even make a slight dent in the debt they owe him. But if they promise to GO THE FUCK AWAY FOREVER AND LEAVE ZERO FREAKING ALONE, I can accept that. I don't shit about them anymore, JUST LEAVE ZERO ALONE GODAMMIT, HE DOESN'T DESERVE ALL THE CRAP THOSE  TWO MELODRAMATIC PUREBLOODED CUNTS PUT HIM THROUGH.

I swear to God, if Yuuki pulls a, "Oh Zero! How could I ever forget you! You hold a special spot in my heart" stunt (AGAIN), I personally loathe/despise/hate/be disgusted with everything that makes her a character.






Vampire Knight?!

What are you doing?!?

VAMPIRE KNIGHT!!

STAAHP

We are opposites then raging because I love seeing a romance that has such strong feelings and complete devotion, it seems more pure and an unrelenting love to me that way x) I guess me and hino-sensei have the same taste in romance :P (aren't I lucky) maybe that's why I have followed their story as long as I have. To the normal person it seems obsessive, controlling...but to me, it seems passionate and eternal. Feelings that will last forever.



Which is a good deal if you're a vampire :)

asx-nici said:
AmrodAegnor said:
I'm disappointed, Hino-sensei.



I thought that Hino Matsuri is better than this. :( Well, I still think she is a talented mangaka. :) But if she does not like this manga anymore, she should end it already and start a new one.



She can't start 1000 new mangas and I will NOT read them!!  As a mangaka she is dead to me!!

MiSsBeatoChan said:
somehow I don't believe Zero forgot Yuki for real ...

his words here http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c089/14.html

his words are so focused on "There are no reasons why a vampire I don't know would be concerned about my health"

and his face in the lower right panel shows a painful expression ...



whatever. As long as it comes to an end. =3=" I agree with and hope he does regain his memories even believe it will happen judging by various clues given in the chapter. The problem is what does he do with them once he gets them back and is face to face with Kaname, I think my opinion on what he should do is pretty obvious.

Eridanus10 said:
5) Yuuki sacrifices herself to turn Kaname human and he starts a relationship with Zero (and the KaZe fans yell 'Told you it wasn't impossible



It would be a perfect ending !!!! Remove/kill the source (yuuki) of all the problems xD

And both kamame and zero fans will be happy !!! Ending the feud between kaname and zero fans !!!



That would be tempting... if not for the fact that Kaname is the reason that Zero's suffering so much. If Kaname wasn't the one responsible for having Zero's family killed and making him miserable, I probably wouldn't have that many problems with that ship. xD

God this chapter was awful. All plot development and character development destroyed in one chapter. I don't think Hino has any idea where she is going with this story. I think she has finally given up on her story and is trolling both fandoms to sell the love triangle. Can someone please tell me what was the point of the second arc? Yuuki's character didn't develop, she's still selfish and weak(I can't believe she forgave Kaname this time!). I thought she would confront him and stop him. But she disappointed me yet again. Zero's development is probably negated since he lost his memories. Kaname is given free pass for all the shit he did just like that. Its ridiculous. So stupid how everyone conveniently forgot that kaname manipulated Zero, killed Shizuka and all those purebloods. No explanation was given just cause Aido's father lives and this was all done for yuuki(how any of this helped her still confuses me). There is no logic to this story. Now some stupid villains will be introduced who I am sure will die randomly without any purpose. My only hope is for Zero to get a happy ending(because he's the one who deserves it the most) with anyone Maria, Yori. I am just done with Yuuki and Kaname's character -_- It's amazing how they bring out the worst in each other. If it hadn't been for Zero I would've dropped this manga a long time ago.