Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

Narutowolf77 said:
Aisein said:
Well chapter 89 was a big disappointment <--- that is an understatement



I'm still pissed at Yuki. Imo, she would have been more "forgiveable" for taking Zero's memories if she had taken everything. Before people start ranting about this post, read that sentence again. I NEVER said that erasing Zero's memories is acceptable. NEVER. I'm just saying that if she was planning on erasing Zero's memories, why would she only erase the ones that he cherished?



If she was going to take his memories, she should have at least taken both the good and the bad. That way he can start over completely. The only reason that Zero had the will to live (especially with everything that's happened) is because he was in love with Yuki and that he wanted to kill all pure bloods. So now that he doesn't even have memories of Yuki, he's just a killing machine with no other purpose.



Kaname, Yuki, and Izaya are the only pure bloods left (iirc). Kaname is trying to kill himself by becoming the parent, Yuki is trying to kill herself to turn Kaname into human, and Izaya is probably also going to die for some other reason. So once they're all gone, what's Zero's purpose? Nothing. Other people would move on and find something else but Zero can't. He's had everything taken away from him and doesn't have anyone to love so when those three idiots finish their business, his only choice is to kill himself.



Read this if TL;DR --> Bottom line: Yuki made everything worse by putting Zero in the absolute worst position. Actually, scratch that. She didn't just put him there, she pushed him there. <-- Read this if TL;DR



There would have been no point in taking all of Zero's memories as the reason she did it was so she wouldn't have to worry about him as it was his love for her that was starving Zero and making him close to falling to Level E. If she had taken all of his memories he would have been as helpless as a child just like she was completely helpless after her mother suppressed her memories and made her human and it would have defeated her purpose.



I don't see any reason why Zero can't move on and find someone else when he has a ton of people that care about him and would support him such as Maria, Kaien, Yagari, Kaito, and Yori to name a few as all of them have demonstrated concern and caring for Zero. In my opinion if he is not capable of moving on with so many people supporting him it would make him look pretty stupid and pathetic much akin to how Sasuke looked back in the first half of Naruto when happiness was staring him straight in the face and he ignored it. I think that his new purpose would have something to do with managing the hunter's association as the next president (if he doesn't recover his memories) or striving to make bring the vampire and human worlds together because its what the girl he loved would have wanted (if he does recover his memories), similar to how Kaien changed as his personality was once a lot like Zero's.

Allow me to point out that thanks to Yuuki's memory erasing the Maria connection has been damaged, if not destroyed since it depends on if he's willing to try to get along with her. I'm sorry but I would hate for Zero to have any love for Yuuki left at this point, considering all thats happened. If he does join the Hunter's Association as its leader this would be a very bad thing since again thanks to Yuuki's erasing his memories he only wants to kill all vampires. Honestly it would've been better to just kill him back in the beginning of the story rather than to give him a reason to live only to take it away so that he can suffer later.



Oh and I dunno if you remember me mentioning the whole big brother doting on his little sister thing but I finally remembered an example of it being shown: Pandora Hearts: Oz toward his sister Ada, that's what I meant back when we were talking about this.

windeen-windy said:
snipped.

I knew there was a spoiler tag here just never knew how to get it put in now I know xD and tbh I'm hoping that Yuuki wakes up the next day and what she's done hits her like a freight train. In a perfect world she'd be extremely angry with Kaname for allowing it to proceed into that with her mental state at that time or she'd go into a depression though I doubt either will happen just because of Yuuki's idiocy and immaturity (thanks imo from Kaname being around her).



I'm really only waiting for Zero to regain his memories, Kaname to die, Shima to become canon, and for Ruka to get over her crush on Kaname and instead finally accept Kain's feelings.

I'm disappointed, Hino-sensei. No, actually I'm pissed. Seriously. That was just cruel.



I'm rooting for Yori-chan, she's a good girl. Just not Maria, I don't like her attitude, she's not much better than Yuuki, obsessing over some guy all the time.



Go kill yourself for Kaname, Yuuki. And Kaitou was right, that was the epitome of pureblood selfishness. Well, you reap what you sow.



That's it for me, I'm putting this manga on hold until it's over. I can't stomach the Yume flirting that is about to ensue for dozens of chapters. Again.

Had to sign up to post a response to this epic chapter.



Okay so from what I can tell, she erased Zero's memory of her because her intention was to sacrifice her for Kaname's sake, and if she's dead the neverending longing and thirst for her would torment Zero! So how can you hate her? Her regret might come after knowing that Kaname wasn't something that needed to be -stopped- by her per se, and he had his own self sacrificial plans. I think this manga is not going to end well for Kaname,  maybe it's just paranoya, but once Yuuki was talking to Zero about how they'd interact with each other if they hadn't known about each other. In my heart I feel that this may be the ending that Hino sensei is shooting for, and that pains me somewhat if it's the case.



I have always , always been a big fan of Yuuki x Kaname, so this reconciliation and (lol makeup sex?) made my freaking day. I felt like as the biggest Kaname fan "I/We finally got our Kaname we know and love back"  Yeah he's emo as hell, and unsure of himself and doubtful as all hell about his relationship with Yuuki but I don't think he would have irresponsibly bedded her if not for the fact he feels in his heart that erasing Zero's memories, it was Yuuki's way of saying goodbye to half her heart that feels for Zero and thus torments Kaname to do all these horrid things.



Yuuki clings to him and doesn't want him to leave her, he's all she has now. I really, truly hope, things will work out well for them, and that there can be a happy ending to this yuuki x kaname love story. It's always been about those two, sorry Zero fans.



<3



P.S. There should be yu x ka continuation next month if not I will be thoroughly disappointed >.<; (mangakas have page quotas to meet people)



P.P.S some of these comments I'm reading here are so ridiculous, like Yuuki being "stupid' for siding with Kaname always. Don't you people realise she is in love? She is IN LOVE with Kaname, she has ALWAYS been in LOVE since she was a little girl and he told her that they were to become like their parents one day. He's been her entire world ever since she was born. There is nothing stupid OR obsessive about her affections for him, he is her soul mate, he freaking MET her before she was even born for crying out loud and recognised something familiar about her eyes when she was a baby. And she's trying to express that to him through all his paranoia and doubt. When you have such a deep bond/love connection to someone, you will stand by them...no matter what. She is very loyal to him. Her loyalty is what ultimately killed Zero's memories of her - Cross said "and for you". You should know why she did it for him!

jeojeobean said:
Had to make an account to add my (well, my sister's, really) two cents....



To be honest, I don't really care much for Vampire Knight. However, it's my sister's favorite manga and she's constantly sharing details of the latest chapter and/or an epiphany she's had about the plot or characters.



That aside, she just mentioned something that I found to be rather true:



If Kaname hadn't killed Zero's parents and blahblahblah, Zero would have never fallen in love with Yuuki. Had Kaname left Zero and his family alone, the only way Zero and Yuuki would've ever had a chance to interact would be through Kaien..... something about how he's an ex-hunter and Zero's parents would've still been hunters (most likely).....



Meh, it made more sense when my sis said it :P





Actually, it makes sense since Zero already mention that in chapter 88.. ^^

he said to Yuki, "if we both human we will never meet each other" or something like that.. xD

Mooniechick said:
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I agree with you on Kaname but I still can't avoid raging on the image of her sleeping with him and him going along with it. It just makes little to no sense and is sure as h*ll not romantic in that context. And nope never heard of that show or whatever it may be.



Well its true but honestly it doesn't affect my view on him at all. He has many many other reasons for me to dislike him than this. I love the Juri and Haruka pairing even though they are brother and sister I could care less as I do get that they care for each other (and Haruka and Juri are just just awesome xD) If the story backs up them being together then incest is merely a side note. Another reason I hate 89 is that it broke where the story was going to go into a completely different route that makes little sense.



I'm so glad I have Nisekoi and Blood+ to help me get out of rage mode xD

5+ chapters and story destroyed in 1 chapter...



Yuuki really needs to wake up and realize that Zero was (still barely clinging onto the two of them getting together) the better choice. He was always by her side loyally, defied the hunter lineage within him countless times, gave her his blood to quench her thirst, and even offered her his life, which she cruelly at this point refused to take yet what does she do? She takes memories that belong to the human Yuuki and Zero not her as well as running back to her obsession (Kaname). Honestly Zero was far better for her as when she was with him and away from Kaname she actually stood on her own feet (a little but still there) as opposed to Kaname where she's constantly coddled and told/suggested/manipulated into doing what Kaname deems good for her.  



There is no logic or reasoning to her running to Kaname and sleeping with him to make up her mind. Is she a whore, slut, or whatever? No but she's also not very bright and needs a lot of mental help.



I hate Kaname not for being with Yuuki but just because of his personality. He should have sent her away rather than indulging her insanity but like the idiot he is he took her in.



At this point I want Zero to use the Blood Rose to kill him in front of Yuuki and let her live with the consequences of what she caused to happen. I'll keep reading but by far this was a very poor decision on Hino's part.

Narutowolf77 said:
snipped. Gah why couldn't you answer just a bit slower as I was in the middle of checking my other post to see if I used 'coddled' as I realize you said you dislike it and though I feel its appropriate I was going to change it but oh well =.=



Your posts act like Kaname and Yuuki are the only ones in 'true love' when thats not true. If anything both are loves with potential to evolve into true love. However you act like Zero isn't worthy of Yuuki or at least isn't even with Kaname which I find highly wrong and dismissive. Kaname isn't the only one in Yuuki's heart and shouldn't be looked upon as if he's the perfect person for her.



I haven't called you stupid but I don't plan to sit here and allow you to tear down mine either. I call Yuuki stupid not you, tbh I don't know you thus have no way of knowing what you are nor would I go there. You saying that Yuuki only loves Kaname or has 'true love' only with Kaname is just as disrespectful of my ship.



If you want an example of how obsessive Yuuki is go check chapters 83 and 84 and you'll see that even after Ruka is injured she still tries to avoid killing Kaname.



This isn't an argument, its a debate or discussion. You present things and I provide counter opinions to them. For example: You think its "But I love Kaname more." and I believe its "But I'm a vampire." as she truly does think this matters to Zero. Well lets see I'm currently flipping between:  MMO, manga, skype, and here so you want me to go page hopping for information I already have memorized (it would be a different story if chapters were in the 1-70-ish) but 85-88 are ingrained into my brain since it was Yuuki finally waking up and starting to accept Zero's feelings instead of only seeing Kaname?  no thx.