Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

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  • #114
So like if the ending is like Twilight (If Hino was inspired by the ending of it or something -I will seriously sue her, and like say "WTF NO. YOU DO NOT LET ZERO FREAKING FALL IN LOVE WITH YUKI AND KANAME'S CHILD. NO JUST NO. EDIT IT RIGHT NOW.")



Anyways when the manga ends, my words for Matsuri Hino.



"Thank you Matsuri Hino for creating such a sexy beast like Zero <3333333333 I only love you because of that."
 
  • #115
Who knows perhaps in the next bit she'll stop Kaname before she is deflowered because "her heart isn't into it" after what occurred with Zero?



What we see may be the beginning of it rather than in the middle, ya' know?



Zero was asked to guard and watch the Kuran residence so perhaps he'll see some things to remind him of Yuuki and he'll get his memories back and go and break it up if Yuuki doesn't stop Kaname.



I may be giving Yuuki too much credit though, they probably are in the middle of it..but eh..its a possibility now that I think about it.



Or who knows...maybe Maria'll will make him remember Yuuki since she doesn't know (I assume) that she erased Zero's memory.



Prolly just wishful thinking and it'll end with Kaname and Yuuki both killing each other and Zero ending up alone...which will just be overly sad as I mentioned before.



Or after their..encounter Yuuki will catch Zero attempting to kill himself again..since if I recall she was the only thing that kept him from doing it....and he'll ask why does a random Vampire care and she'll force him to remember.



Ah...imagination ran wild a bit there.
 
  • #116
I don't know where to start or what to say so I'll just keep it short and not sweet. Hino sensei what we're you thinking writing up this trash and Yuki can lose it all for all I care. She plays with Zero's feelings,uses and betrays him, leaves him and then comes back,uses him some more then clings onto him when the guy is trying to desperately keep her away then she jumps onto him talking about what-if, yearns for him screaming his name countless times and then erases his memories of her and then goes to Kaname and reaches 'adulthood'(betraying Zero again).. The most selfish and Skibe character I have come to known. I recently came back after so many years to finish off this series and I'm disappointed I wish I never finished it..



P.S Anyone stating Zero and Yuki you are being blasphemous against Zero. He doesn't deserve an unstable freak like her who treats him like shit. Yori or Maria x Zero is what you should really be rooting for.
 
  • #117
ragingx said:


All that Kaname has done is more for his own goals than for hers. Everything he's done was without her asking him to this isn't for her its for him. He wants to die but uses her as an excuse to continue to live rather than just dying. Kissing Kaname is not standing up to him telling him what he did was wrong and that if they were to pursue a relationship it'd take time for her to forgive him thats her standing up to him. She literally forgave him for all he's done just because a few things were lies, this isn't normal and is her yet again going into obsession/idolizing mode. Zero treated her as an equal and as such called her out on things she did that were stupid or showed her his frustration as you would to someone that is close to you. Can you perceive Zero as having an obsession? Sure, except oh right he doesn't just accept whatever she does by her word alone. He's made her feel responsible for her actions not coddled her.



To elaborate on the obsession: she is constantly running back to Kaname without a single thought or resistance as if he is a saint. She constantly ignores anything Zero does for her when Kaname is around because she's in obsession mode.



Yes, she cares about him but running to him out of nowhere and sleeping with him only 1 chapter after finding out that he's only responsible for 3/4ths of the b.s. going on rather than all, thats just insane. I said she isn't a slut, whore, or etc and that fiance b.s. is a shield as she has shown repeatedly that she isn't solidly in love with just Kaname. And that still wouldn't make her actions sane considering just a few chapters ago she was going to kill him.



Yes I would have sent her away, is taking advantage of her in that state better? She's in no state to decide anything at that point. Kaname has a very twisted form of love for her: Do as I suggest or say for your own good; I'll kill people for you even if you never asked me to; Come to my bed after having gone through a traumatic event like erasing Zero's memories of her.



The story should've just continued on the track it was going instead of this complete b.s. 180 turn from the previous chapter. Saying this shows how much I disagree with the chapter as I have a rule about not insulting another writer's work as I understand that its that writer's story but this is just too far.



For his own goals? No just no, just because someone doesn't ask you to do something doesn't mean you're doing it for yourself. Do your friends/family ask you to get them birthday/Christmas presents? No. Does that mean you're doing it for yourself? No, even if you're the type of person that likes to give stuff away you're still doing it for them. Would a little old woman ask you to help her across the street? No, at least my grandma wouldn't. If you do does that mean you're doing it for yourself? No. If you care about someone then you won't do something because they ask you to, you do it for them to make them happy. If I had a boyfriend I wouldn't ask him to get me a gift on Valentine's day or what not I would hope he would do it for me without asking. I don't know how you got the idea that Kaname wants to die but uses Yuuki as an excuse for living, nowhere has that been stated in the manga and if it has then provide me with a specific chapter and page and prove me wrong, otherwise I don't buy it.





" telling him what he did was wrong and that if they were to pursue a relationship it'd take time for her to forgive him thats her standing up to him."



She already did that quite a few chapters ago when she learned about his past:

Chapter 66if you've forgotten meaning there would be no point in doing it now as, now that she's found out he didn't kill Aido's father, the only bad thing he's done since is attempt to kill the purebloods which Yuuki at this point probably thinks is a lie as well considering he lied to her about everything else.



I wouldn't call forgiving him at this point idolizing him or obsessing over him since she already knows he's "tainted", refer back to chapter 49. It would rather mean that she loves him it's an example of part of Corinthians 13 "Love keeps no record of wrongs" even more than that if a person is incapable of forgiving another person then that person should not be in a relationship of any kind friendship or love. I'd also like to point out that Zero told Yuuki he would kill her, treated her as being inferior to him because she was a vampire, and pointed a gun at her on several occasions prior to them teaming up to go after Kaname and she also kept no record of his wrongs, she didn't tell him that what he did was wrong and or that it would take time to forgive him. Saying that he hates vampires because of his past doesn't make it excusable or any less wrong either.



I still don't get why you're saying she "ran to him out of nowhere" Kaien brought her with him because she wanted to know Kaname's reasons, something she has been trying to figure out since he left her. She's been reunited with him, knows he plans to sacrifice himself of course she's going to stay with him because she cares about him and doesn't want him to, more over where else is she supposed to go right now? Her only real option is going with Kaien instead which would make no sense considering she's been trying to find Kaname since quite a few chapters back.



"I said she isn't a slut, whore, or etc and that fiance b.s. is a shield as she has shown repeatedly that she isn't solidly in love with just Kaname."



Saying it's used as a shield doesn't change the fact that it is the truth, it is fact, regardless of how the characters have used it and while she isn't solidly in love with just Kaname she does love him.



"And that still wouldn't make her actions sane considering just a few chapters ago she was going to kill him."



Actually a few chapters ago she was trying to stop him not kill him, killing him was just a way of stopping him and she decided instead to stop him by making him human just last chapter, that's her new goal now if it hasn't been made clear throughout this chapter already.



"Yes I would have sent her away, is taking advantage of her in that state better? She's in no state to decide anything at that point. Kaname has a very twisted form of love for her: Do as I suggest or say for your own good; I'll kill people for you even if you never asked me to; Come to my bed after having gone through a traumatic event like erasing Zero's memories of her. "



Okay, I'm glad I'm not your friend or what not because I now know I wouldn't be able to rely on you for support after going through something traumatic. Btw it was Yuuki who wouldn't let go of Kaname after he asked her to several times, it was her that clung to him so desperately. I also don't see Kaname's love as being twisted. He's never told her to do anything, he has given her free will such as when he gave her the artemis and let her decide what to do. I already covered the doing things without asking to, he said that he would if she was okay with having him after she clung to him so desperately and wouldn't let go, Yuuki clearly had no qualms about it otherwise that scene wouldn't have happened.



"The story should've just continued on the track it was going instead of this complete b.s. 180 turn from the previous chapter."



There was no 180, plenty of the points of this chapter were foreshadowed in at least some way or another with a few unexpected plot twists, perhaps you should go back and re-read the manga without your rose-colored fangirl/ship glasses.
 
  • #118

Kaname_NA said:
Had to sign up to post a response to this epic chapter.



Okay so from what I can tell, she erased Zero's memory of her because her intention was to sacrifice her for Kaname's sake, and if she's dead the neverending longing and thirst for her would torment Zero! So how can you hate her? Her regret might come after knowing that Kaname wasn't something that needed to be -stopped- by her per se, and he had his own self sacrificial plans. I think this manga is not going to end well for Kaname,  maybe it's just paranoya, but once Yuuki was talking to Zero about how they'd interact with each other if they hadn't known about each other. In my heart I feel that this may be the ending that Hino sensei is shooting for, and that pains me somewhat if it's the case.



I have always , always been a big fan of Yuuki x Kaname, so this reconciliation and (lol makeup sex?) made my freaking day. I felt like as the biggest Kaname fan "I/We finally got our Kaname we know and love back"  Yeah he's emo as hell, and unsure of himself and doubtful as all hell about his relationship with Yuuki but I don't think he would have irresponsibly bedded her if not for the fact he feels in his heart that erasing Zero's memories, it was Yuuki's way of saying goodbye to half her heart that feels for Zero and thus torments Kaname to do all these horrid things.



Yuuki clings to him and doesn't want him to leave her, he's all she has now. I really, truly hope, things will work out well for them, and that there can be a happy ending to this yuuki x kaname love story. It's always been about those two, sorry Zero fans.



<3



P.S. There should be yu x ka continuation next month if not I will be thoroughly disappointed >.<; (mangakas have page quotas to meet people)



P.P.S some of these comments I'm reading here are so ridiculous, like Yuuki being "stupid' for siding with Kaname always. Don't you people realise she is in love? She is IN LOVE with Kaname, she has ALWAYS been in LOVE since she was a little girl and he told her that they were to become like their parents one day. He's been her entire world ever since she was born. There is nothing stupid OR obsessive about her affections for him, he is her soul mate, he freaking MET her before she was even born for crying out loud and recognised something familiar about her eyes when she was a baby. And she's trying to express that to him through all his paranoia and doubt. When you have such a deep bond/love connection to someone, you will stand by them...no matter what. She is very loyal to him. Her loyalty is what ultimately killed Zero's memories of her - Cross said "and for you". You should know why she did it for him!

I can hate her for taking what wasn't her's to take. Those memories were shared between the human Yuuki and Zero not her. You can try to justify if you like but ultimately its just more evidence of her immaturity. I personally think its in Kaname's best interest to die so he can be with the Ancestor or Ancestress that he actually loved. I think Zero will regain his memories via how much he cares for Yuuki and she will finally wake up, now that Kaname is gone, and fully accept him as the one that has stood by her side always.



It was Yuuki doing her usual obsession mode/fangirl mode not some big romantic thing. And Kaname essentially took advantage of her as she was in no way mentally ready to make that decision yet he allowed her to keep going as usual instead of realizing she wasn't in the right mind and telling her to stop. He acknowledges even in that chapter that she hasn't gotten rid of her love for Zero so I don't know where you coming from. He took advantage of a mentally unstable (obsessed) girl instead of doing the right thing and saying no.



Are you kidding me? It has never been about solely Kaname x Yuuki. It has always been the 3 and Zero has earned his relationship with Yuuki far more than Kaname has. He's been loyal to her, never lied to her, been there to give her a shoulder to lean on, a (cold but still a shoulder), held back the desire to kill her as a vampire/pureblood because he loves her, he's never manipulated her or the people around her, and he's always fought at her side not for her. Kaname at most has a fraternal relationship with Yuuk (while she is somewhere between obsessed fangirl or a little sister looking up to her big brother)i while Zero has far more.



Again Kaname has been in love with the Ancestress, iirc he even saw her in Yuuki though I'll have to go back and look it up later. He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes). She's in love with BOTH Zero and Kaname thus the idea that this could explain her actions falls short.
 
  • #119
Ok you know what, after all the time i have spent with this series, after all the bullshit iv  let go past me so i may continue reading this drivel......I Think now is the time for me to say this



Fuck this, Yah im done, this series has managed to 1 up itself in terms of awfulness, no matter how bad it got, it always found a way to make itself worse and worse, not just this chapter but the entire series is a fucking mess in terms of writing, plot, characters, atmosphere, relationships, even the art is messy most of the time.



Made all the more worse cause the series had so much going for it at the start, so yah, im done with this piece of shit. I'll probably read it when its done but as of now, this is ranking up there as one of the worst train wrecks i have watched/read since i started my anime/manga reading hobby a couple years back.
 
  • #120

Narutowolf77 said:
Kaname_NA said:







Had to sign up to post a response to this epic chapter.



Okay so from what I can tell, she erased Zero's memory of her because her intention was to sacrifice her for Kaname's sake, and if she's dead the neverending longing and thirst for her would torment Zero! So how can you hate her? Her regret might come after knowing that Kaname wasn't something that needed to be -stopped- by her per se, and he had his own self sacrificial plans. I think this manga is not going to end well for Kaname,  maybe it's just paranoya, but once Yuuki was talking to Zero about how they'd interact with each other if they hadn't known about each other. In my heart I feel that this may be the ending that Hino sensei is shooting for, and that pains me somewhat if it's the case.



I have always , always been a big fan of Yuuki x Kaname, so this reconciliation and (lol makeup sex?) made my freaking day. I felt like as the biggest Kaname fan "I/We finally got our Kaname we know and love back"  Yeah he's emo as hell, and unsure of himself and doubtful as all hell about his relationship with Yuuki but I don't think he would have irresponsibly bedded her if not for the fact he feels in his heart that erasing Zero's memories, it was Yuuki's way of saying goodbye to half her heart that feels for Zero and thus torments Kaname to do all these horrid things.



Yuuki clings to him and doesn't want him to leave her, he's all she has now. I really, truly hope, things will work out well for them, and that there can be a happy ending to this yuuki x kaname love story. It's always been about those two, sorry Zero fans.



<3



P.S. There should be yu x ka continuation next month if not I will be thoroughly disappointed >.<; (mangakas have page quotas to meet people)



P.P.S some of these comments I'm reading here are so ridiculous, like Yuuki being "stupid' for siding with Kaname always. Don't you people realise she is in love? She is IN LOVE with Kaname, she has ALWAYS been in LOVE since she was a little girl and he told her that they were to become like their parents one day. He's been her entire world ever since she was born. There is nothing stupid OR obsessive about her affections for him, he is her soul mate, he freaking MET her before she was even born for crying out loud and recognised something familiar about her eyes when she was a baby. And she's trying to express that to him through all his paranoia and doubt. When you have such a deep bond/love connection to someone, you will stand by them...no matter what. She is very loyal to him. Her loyalty is what ultimately killed Zero's memories of her - Cross said "and for you". You should know why she did it for him!



Another YuMe fan! Hi and welcome :)

I'm so happy, I don't feel so alone on here anymore ^.^



I completely agree with what you said about how her taking Zero's memories, while it was against his will, was meant to help him. She doesn't deserve all this hate. And it's not like she doesn't feel guilt or regret either, she's at least sorry for doing it but she felt that ultimately it had to be done. Also don't give up on Kaname or YuMe yet, even if it seems to be going one way Hino-sensei has a way of surprising us. Like how I'm sure none of us were expecting Aido's father to be alive. Also I personally think Zero may be the one to get the short end of the stick. This is because of the VK artbook, in the book there are two pictures with cherry blossoms, one with Kaname and Yuuki, the other with Zero and Yuuki, the one with Zero and Yuuki has a black ribbon wrapped around the cherry tree and Hino's comment says:



"I tried to express a hint of foreboding with the black ribbon on the tree."



The sex thing made my day too the cover page was cool too "In the future and in the past a unique connection exists for all eternity" and they're linked! ^.^ Though I do disagree about Kaname being emo, he's just lonely. Have you read BleachOD's blog about this chapter yet? It brings up the parallel of Zero's goodbye kiss at the end of the first half of the manga and the kiss from a few chapters ago. Here's a link if you want to check it out:



Burn the Strawman (Title of the post ^.^' you'll understand when you read it)



I also hope that there can be a happy ending for Kaname and Yuuki, and though I'm not a fan of Zero he should get something too. I've always thought Yori would be a good choice for him, someone calm, sensible, and gentle. Maria wouldn't be bad either delicate and kind... Though I do have to disagree that it has always been those two, there is a triangle, but did you know Hino-sensei has a picture of Kaname and Yuuki embracing and as it states exactly from the artbook:



"I drew this with the intent of showing 'they're finally back where they belong.'"



Here's a copy of the picture:



KanaYuu



And in the official fanbook Kaname's preferred type of girl is: "A simple minded girl that waits for me in the snow ^.^



I also agree some of the arguments are ridiculous and one major flaw I find in people saying she's obsessed rather than in love with Kaname is that she lusts for his blood as it says several times.



In chapter 51:



Yuuki: "His beautiful pale neck... when I think of it, I want to tear into it with my fangs ... I want to bask deeply in the taste of his blood, in that flowing crimson filled with his feelings melted in it ..."



In chapter 66:



Inner vampire: "If you want you can eat all of him. Isn't that what you want?"



Inner vampire: "If you don't devour what you desire, you'll be driven insane."



Yuuki: "I'm still so far, I can't even think of saying we're equal. But the vampire inside of me doesn't care. This desire is so pure it can't be hidden."



In chapter 36:



Yuuki: "I want it... I only want this man's blood."



If Yuuki craving Zero's blood means she loves him then wouldn't her craving Kaname's blood also means she loves him :



ragingx said:


Again Kaname has been in love with the Ancestress, iirc he even saw her in Yuuki though I'll have to go back and look it up later. He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes). She's in love with BOTH Zero and Kaname thus the idea that this could explain her actions falls short.



Kaname WAS in love with the Ancestress but she died so it's a fact that is rendered invalid even more than that he specifically told Yuuki that "No one can be a replacement for another person." (and it was in a moment when he didn't even know Yuuki). Also I think the moment you're thinking of is in chapter 64:



Kaname internal dialogue: "In my childish mind, I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before. And then, for some reason, I thought, this time I want to keep protecting this warmth."



He could have been referring to the Ancestress when he said "I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before" but it's more likely that it was the 'vision' of Yuuki herself (from earlier in the chapter) that he is referring to.



"He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes)."



Don't know how you think he treats her as a little sister rather than a lover when he just made love to her (I know my brother would never do that to me) but whatever.

Page? (Again I've got MMO running and another manga open so not much time to go page hopping)



And if he dies then its not invalid, he gets to be with ancestress and Zero gets to be with Yuuki.



He's indulging her again (like a big brother would) and incest isn't a big deal to them anyway. But if you (not literally you but anyone who says it) say that Zero is just a 'best friend' to Yuuki then I'll say that Kaname treats her like a little sister. Basic point is: don't degrade Zeki by saying they don't have romantic love and you'll get no response from me. Though I do honestly believe that this explains his constant spoiling her and trying to push her onto a path he thinks is best for her, regardless of what she thinks, and in this sense makes me dislike Kaname a little less since big brothers are supposed to dote on and spoil their little sisters.  




HL2290 said:
Sabamiki said:
I think Zero should just kill them all.



I'm kidding.



But if I'm being honest here, I think Yuki should just stay with Kaname and they should leave Zero the hell alone. He doesn't need to be pulled into their chaos. Purebloods have been toying with his life since he was a child. He has lost his family, his love, his memories of that love, practically everything that gave his life meaning. I no longer want to see his feelings, his loyalty, and his sacrifices go unnoticed. It's too painful.

He will never be free so long as they are still in his life.



You know what also makes me upset?



The way Yuki barely acknowledges Kaien Cross. That man has done more good things for Yuki than anyone else in this story, yet it's as though he doesn't exist. He's just "Chief Director" to her.



I think I can forgive what she has done (as hard as that is). But I really, really want her to think things through more carefully. Then again, I'm certain that this side of Yuki we're seeing is no accident by Hino or a result of 'poor writing'. It goes to show that love sure as hell isn't sunshine and rainbows. It changes people, for better and worse. Makes them lose sight of what's truly important sometimes. It makes them selfish and selfless. Warm and cold.



I guess in a way I can thank Hino for exploring all of this.









I think it is a result of poor writing, rush etc that contributes to poor plot. After reading chpt 89, it seems to me that hino trying to troll around by giving us false zeki hope in the previous 2 chapters, and severely destroying it in one chapter. Yes, I am a zero fan and it makes me annoyed when we are supposed to wait 2 months for this chapter when it going to have a yume ending instead of a zeki ending which many would expect it to be after reading 87, 88. Seriously, it just makes it seems that those zeki plot are unnecessary and meaningless. Furthermore, zero's life is being fuck up by pure blood from the beginning of the story till now, I hope hino can give a good ending to zero to redeem herself. Kaname manipulates, murders whether it is for good or evil which I don't care and now he is trying to be the world's saviour, don't joke with me. Zero should kill all the vampires on this planet, it is not the Purebloods' fault but the very existence of vampire which distorts the world. Killing purebloods should be zero's job not kaname in the first place. Contradicting huh?



After all a knight should be a sword wielder not a gun wielder. Hino seems to hint this right from the start I think, but no one took notice.  I respect the author decision. I don't think Zeki is per se dead since I still think Zero can regain his memories via his caring for Yuuki and since Kaname plans to kill himself she'll finally be able to grow up and she'll finally lose her favorite cop-out in regards to Zero.
 
  • #121
Kaname_NA said:







Had to sign up to post a response to this epic chapter.



Okay so from what I can tell, she erased Zero's memory of her because her intention was to sacrifice her for Kaname's sake, and if she's dead the neverending longing and thirst for her would torment Zero! So how can you hate her? Her regret might come after knowing that Kaname wasn't something that needed to be -stopped- by her per se, and he had his own self sacrificial plans. I think this manga is not going to end well for Kaname,  maybe it's just paranoya, but once Yuuki was talking to Zero about how they'd interact with each other if they hadn't known about each other. In my heart I feel that this may be the ending that Hino sensei is shooting for, and that pains me somewhat if it's the case.



I have always , always been a big fan of Yuuki x Kaname, so this reconciliation and (lol makeup sex?) made my freaking day. I felt like as the biggest Kaname fan "I/We finally got our Kaname we know and love back"  Yeah he's emo as hell, and unsure of himself and doubtful as all hell about his relationship with Yuuki but I don't think he would have irresponsibly bedded her if not for the fact he feels in his heart that erasing Zero's memories, it was Yuuki's way of saying goodbye to half her heart that feels for Zero and thus torments Kaname to do all these horrid things.



Yuuki clings to him and doesn't want him to leave her, he's all she has now. I really, truly hope, things will work out well for them, and that there can be a happy ending to this yuuki x kaname love story. It's always been about those two, sorry Zero fans.



<3



P.S. There should be yu x ka continuation next month if not I will be thoroughly disappointed >.<; (mangakas have page quotas to meet people)



P.P.S some of these comments I'm reading here are so ridiculous, like Yuuki being "stupid' for siding with Kaname always. Don't you people realise she is in love? She is IN LOVE with Kaname, she has ALWAYS been in LOVE since she was a little girl and he told her that they were to become like their parents one day. He's been her entire world ever since she was born. There is nothing stupid OR obsessive about her affections for him, he is her soul mate, he freaking MET her before she was even born for crying out loud and recognised something familiar about her eyes when she was a baby. And she's trying to express that to him through all his paranoia and doubt. When you have such a deep bond/love connection to someone, you will stand by them...no matter what. She is very loyal to him. Her loyalty is what ultimately killed Zero's memories of her - Cross said "and for you". You should know why she did it for him!



Another YuMe fan! Hi and welcome :)

I'm so happy, I don't feel so alone on here anymore ^.^



I completely agree with what you said about how her taking Zero's memories, while it was against his will, was meant to help him. She doesn't deserve all this hate. And it's not like she doesn't feel guilt or regret either, she's at least sorry for doing it but she felt that ultimately it had to be done. Also don't give up on Kaname or YuMe yet, even if it seems to be going one way Hino-sensei has a way of surprising us. Like how I'm sure none of us were expecting Aido's father to be alive. Also I personally think Zero may be the one to get the short end of the stick. This is because of the VK artbook, in the book there are two pictures with cherry blossoms, one with Kaname and Yuuki, the other with Zero and Yuuki, the one with Zero and Yuuki has a black ribbon wrapped around the cherry tree and Hino's comment says:



"I tried to express a hint of foreboding with the black ribbon on the tree."



The sex thing made my day too the cover page was cool too "In the future and in the past a unique connection exists for all eternity" and they're linked! ^.^ Though I do disagree about Kaname being emo, he's just lonely. Have you read BleachOD's blog about this chapter yet? It brings up the parallel of Zero's goodbye kiss at the end of the first half of the manga and the kiss from a few chapters ago. Here's a link if you want to check it out:



Burn the Strawman (Title of the post ^.^' you'll understand when you read it)



I also hope that there can be a happy ending for Kaname and Yuuki, and though I'm not a fan of Zero he should get something too. I've always thought Yori would be a good choice for him, someone calm, sensible, and gentle. Maria wouldn't be bad either delicate and kind... Though I do have to disagree that it has always been those two, there is a triangle, but did you know Hino-sensei has a picture of Kaname and Yuuki embracing and as it states exactly from the artbook:



"I drew this with the intent of showing 'they're finally back where they belong.'"



Here's a copy of the picture:



KanaYuu



And in the official fanbook Kaname's preferred type of girl is: "A simple minded girl that waits for me in the snow ^.^



I also agree some of the arguments are ridiculous and one major flaw I find in people saying she's obsessed rather than in love with Kaname is that she lusts for his blood as it says several times.



In chapter 51:



Yuuki: "His beautiful pale neck... when I think of it, I want to tear into it with my fangs ... I want to bask deeply in the taste of his blood, in that flowing crimson filled with his feelings melted in it ..."



In chapter 66:



Inner vampire: "If you want you can eat all of him. Isn't that what you want?"



Inner vampire: "If you don't devour what you desire, you'll be driven insane."



Yuuki: "I'm still so far, I can't even think of saying we're equal. But the vampire inside of me doesn't care. This desire is so pure it can't be hidden."



In chapter 36:



Yuuki: "I want it... I only want this man's blood."



If Yuuki craving Zero's blood means she loves him then wouldn't her craving Kaname's blood also means she loves him :\\



ragingx said:


Again Kaname has been in love with the Ancestress, iirc he even saw her in Yuuki though I'll have to go back and look it up later. He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes). She's in love with BOTH Zero and Kaname thus the idea that this could explain her actions falls short.



Kaname WAS in love with the Ancestress but she died so it's a fact that is rendered invalid even more than that he specifically told Yuuki that "No one can be a replacement for another person." (and it was in a moment when he didn't even know Yuuki). Also I think the moment you're thinking of is in chapter 64:



Kaname internal dialogue: "In my childish mind, I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before. And then, for some reason, I thought, this time I want to keep protecting this warmth."



He could have been referring to the Ancestress when he said "I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before" but it's more likely that it was the 'vision' of Yuuki herself (from earlier in the chapter) that he is referring to.



"He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes)."



Don't know how you think he treats her as a little sister rather than a lover when he just made love to her (I know my brother would never do that to me) but whatever.
 
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