Narutowolf77 said:
Kaname_NA said:
Had to sign up to post a response to this epic chapter.
Okay so from what I can tell, she erased Zero's memory of her because her intention was to sacrifice her for Kaname's sake, and if she's dead the neverending longing and thirst for her would torment Zero! So how can you hate her? Her regret might come after knowing that Kaname wasn't something that needed to be -stopped- by her per se, and he had his own self sacrificial plans. I think this manga is not going to end well for Kaname, maybe it's just paranoya, but once Yuuki was talking to Zero about how they'd interact with each other if they hadn't known about each other. In my heart I feel that this may be the ending that Hino sensei is shooting for, and that pains me somewhat if it's the case.
I have always , always been a big fan of Yuuki x Kaname, so this reconciliation and (lol makeup sex?) made my freaking day. I felt like as the biggest Kaname fan "I/We finally got our Kaname we know and love back" Yeah he's emo as hell, and unsure of himself and doubtful as all hell about his relationship with Yuuki but I don't think he would have irresponsibly bedded her if not for the fact he feels in his heart that erasing Zero's memories, it was Yuuki's way of saying goodbye to half her heart that feels for Zero and thus torments Kaname to do all these horrid things.
Yuuki clings to him and doesn't want him to leave her, he's all she has now. I really, truly hope, things will work out well for them, and that there can be a happy ending to this yuuki x kaname love story. It's always been about those two, sorry Zero fans.
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P.S. There should be yu x ka continuation next month if not I will be thoroughly disappointed >.<; (mangakas have page quotas to meet people)
P.P.S some of these comments I'm reading here are so ridiculous, like Yuuki being "stupid' for siding with Kaname always. Don't you people realise she is in love? She is IN LOVE with Kaname, she has ALWAYS been in LOVE since she was a little girl and he told her that they were to become like their parents one day. He's been her entire world ever since she was born. There is nothing stupid OR obsessive about her affections for him, he is her soul mate, he freaking MET her before she was even born for crying out loud and recognised something familiar about her eyes when she was a baby. And she's trying to express that to him through all his paranoia and doubt. When you have such a deep bond/love connection to someone, you will stand by them...no matter what. She is very loyal to him. Her loyalty is what ultimately killed Zero's memories of her - Cross said "and for you". You should know why she did it for him!
Another YuMe fan! Hi and welcome :)
I'm so happy, I don't feel so alone on here anymore ^.^
I completely agree with what you said about how her taking Zero's memories, while it was against his will, was meant to help him. She doesn't deserve all this hate. And it's not like she doesn't feel guilt or regret either, she's at least sorry for doing it but she felt that ultimately it had to be done. Also don't give up on Kaname or YuMe yet, even if it seems to be going one way Hino-sensei has a way of surprising us. Like how I'm sure none of us were expecting Aido's father to be alive. Also I personally think Zero may be the one to get the short end of the stick. This is because of the VK artbook, in the book there are two pictures with cherry blossoms, one with Kaname and Yuuki, the other with Zero and Yuuki, the one with Zero and Yuuki has a black ribbon wrapped around the cherry tree and Hino's comment says:
"I tried to express a hint of foreboding with the black ribbon on the tree."
The sex thing made my day too the cover page was cool too "In the future and in the past a unique connection exists for all eternity" and they're linked! ^.^ Though I do disagree about Kaname being emo, he's just lonely. Have you read BleachOD's blog about this chapter yet? It brings up the parallel of Zero's goodbye kiss at the end of the first half of the manga and the kiss from a few chapters ago. Here's a link if you want to check it out:
Burn the Strawman (Title of the post ^.^' you'll understand when you read it)
I also hope that there can be a happy ending for Kaname and Yuuki, and though I'm not a fan of Zero he should get something too. I've always thought Yori would be a good choice for him, someone calm, sensible, and gentle. Maria wouldn't be bad either delicate and kind... Though I do have to disagree that it has always been those two, there is a triangle, but did you know Hino-sensei has a picture of Kaname and Yuuki embracing and as it states exactly from the artbook:
"I drew this with the intent of showing 'they're finally back where they belong.'"
Here's a copy of the picture:
KanaYuu
And in the official fanbook Kaname's preferred type of girl is: "A simple minded girl that waits for me in the snow ^.^
I also agree some of the arguments are ridiculous and one major flaw I find in people saying she's obsessed rather than in love with Kaname is that she lusts for his blood as it says several times.
In chapter 51:
Yuuki: "His beautiful pale neck... when I think of it, I want to tear into it with my fangs ... I want to bask deeply in the taste of his blood, in that flowing crimson filled with his feelings melted in it ..."
In chapter 66:
Inner vampire: "If you want you can eat all of him. Isn't that what you want?"
Inner vampire: "If you don't devour what you desire, you'll be driven insane."
Yuuki: "I'm still so far, I can't even think of saying we're equal. But the vampire inside of me doesn't care. This desire is so pure it can't be hidden."
In chapter 36:
Yuuki: "I want it... I only want this man's blood."
If Yuuki craving Zero's blood means she loves him then wouldn't her craving Kaname's blood also means she loves him :
ragingx said:
Again Kaname has been in love with the Ancestress, iirc he even saw her in Yuuki though I'll have to go back and look it up later. He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes). She's in love with BOTH Zero and Kaname thus the idea that this could explain her actions falls short.
Kaname WAS in love with the Ancestress but she died so it's a fact that is rendered invalid even more than that he specifically told Yuuki that "No one can be a replacement for another person." (and it was in a moment when he didn't even know Yuuki). Also I think the moment you're thinking of is in chapter 64:
Kaname internal dialogue: "In my childish mind, I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before. And then, for some reason, I thought, this time I want to keep protecting this warmth."
He could have been referring to the Ancestress when he said "I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before" but it's more likely that it was the 'vision' of Yuuki herself (from earlier in the chapter) that he is referring to.
"He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes)."
Don't know how you think he treats her as a little sister rather than a lover when he just made love to her (I know my brother would never do that to me) but whatever.
Page? (Again I've got MMO running and another manga open so not much time to go page hopping)
And if he dies then its not invalid, he gets to be with ancestress and Zero gets to be with Yuuki.
He's indulging her again (like a big brother would) and incest isn't a big deal to them anyway. But if you (not literally you but anyone who says it) say that Zero is just a 'best friend' to Yuuki then I'll say that Kaname treats her like a little sister. Basic point is: don't degrade Zeki by saying they don't have romantic love and you'll get no response from me. Though I do honestly believe that this explains his constant spoiling her and trying to push her onto a path he thinks is best for her, regardless of what she thinks, and in this sense makes me dislike Kaname a little less since big brothers are supposed to dote on and spoil their little sisters.
HL2290 said:
Sabamiki said:
I think Zero should just kill them all.
I'm kidding.
But if I'm being honest here, I think Yuki should just stay with Kaname and they should leave Zero the hell alone. He doesn't need to be pulled into their chaos. Purebloods have been toying with his life since he was a child. He has lost his family, his love, his memories of that love, practically everything that gave his life meaning. I no longer want to see his feelings, his loyalty, and his sacrifices go unnoticed. It's too painful.
He will never be free so long as they are still in his life.
You know what also makes me upset?
The way Yuki barely acknowledges Kaien Cross. That man has done more good things for Yuki than anyone else in this story, yet it's as though he doesn't exist. He's just "Chief Director" to her.
I think I can forgive what she has done (as hard as that is). But I really, really want her to think things through more carefully. Then again, I'm certain that this side of Yuki we're seeing is no accident by Hino or a result of 'poor writing'. It goes to show that love sure as hell isn't sunshine and rainbows. It changes people, for better and worse. Makes them lose sight of what's truly important sometimes. It makes them selfish and selfless. Warm and cold.
I guess in a way I can thank Hino for exploring all of this.
I think it is a result of poor writing, rush etc that contributes to poor plot. After reading chpt 89, it seems to me that hino trying to troll around by giving us false zeki hope in the previous 2 chapters, and severely destroying it in one chapter. Yes, I am a zero fan and it makes me annoyed when we are supposed to wait 2 months for this chapter when it going to have a yume ending instead of a zeki ending which many would expect it to be after reading 87, 88. Seriously, it just makes it seems that those zeki plot are unnecessary and meaningless. Furthermore, zero's life is being fuck up by pure blood from the beginning of the story till now, I hope hino can give a good ending to zero to redeem herself. Kaname manipulates, murders whether it is for good or evil which I don't care and now he is trying to be the world's saviour, don't joke with me. Zero should kill all the vampires on this planet, it is not the Purebloods' fault but the very existence of vampire which distorts the world. Killing purebloods should be zero's job not kaname in the first place. Contradicting huh?
After all a knight should be a sword wielder not a gun wielder. Hino seems to hint this right from the start I think, but no one took notice. I respect the author decision. I don't think Zeki is per se dead since I still think Zero can regain his memories via his caring for Yuuki and since Kaname plans to kill himself she'll finally be able to grow up and she'll finally lose her favorite cop-out in regards to Zero.