Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

Narutowolf77 said:
As per the others snipped to keep length down



1) If you mean Rido that was halfway for Yuuki's sake and halfway because he was insane and needed to be stopped so this doesn't compare to Kaname's death list. If you take Zero's actions and words on their face then sure they can be harsh but with someone like Yuuki thats the only way to be. I'd rather him be harsh and make her grow than to spoil her and have remain the same little girl she's been since she was awakened. He's constantly in depressed mode the whole first arc when Yuuki is around him, he held onto an anti-vampire weapon till it eroded his hand without a hesitation, and he again wants to go into the furnace, is not being forced to.



2) Her obsession is general theme and backing down after standing up reverses the idea of standing up example: "You shouldn't kill them!" - Yuuki  "But it was for you." -Kaname "Oh okay." Yuuki obsession mode. Whatever Kaname says is okay with her eventually hypothetical example:  "Want to destroy the world?" -Kaname "Sure, if thats what you want" - pureblood Yuuki. That scene just irks me cause yet again she's in starry eyed mode in regards to Kaname. Guy is trying to kill an entire species that you're a part of but its okay to stop fighting cause he strokes her cheek *roll eyes* I'm sorry but this is a time for her to beat him bloody and arrest him rather than to indulge her obsession.



3) Everything he does proves he sees her as an equal. He aims the gun at her and doesn't pull the trigger because he cares for her. He doesn't hold his insults or actions back because she should be strong enough to handle them. In fact this is one of the stronger ways he proves he cares for her since everything in his blood/genes/lineage tells him to kill her but he can't/doesn't.



4) She isn't the same Yuuki she was as the younger pureblood Yuuki. She's been human and shared memories with Zero since then so I wouldn't hold that in high regard. Yeah, because it makes total sense to kiss Zero then turn around and sleep with Kaname. The moment she couldn't solidly say that loves Kaname she voided the engagement as her heart doesn't truly lie with him. If your boyfriend moved away  and one day came back without any words for however long there's no way you wouldn't have moved on or he wouldn't have.



5) Human Yuuki was far more mature than pureblood Yuuki is thus human is more preferable. Her being away from Kaname is a good thing since it allows her to mature and grow up (as his been shown anytime she's away from him). I'd rather Kaname meet the Bloody Rose up close and personal but will settle for Kaname instead getting roasted.



6) She is not in the mental state, which he knows, to think her actions through. Yet he still goes through with sleeping with her thus taking advantage of mental state.



7) Even Kaname said that she doesn't love him more than Zero so I don't hold this in high regard. If anything she's using the artificial shield of denial that she's Kaname's fiance when she could easily toss that aside if she was honest with herself. It did come out of the blue it literally reversed every single thing that has happened the last few chapters and you want to pass it off as just the usual chapter? Sorry but I call b.s. on it.



Whatever I'll be here if want to try and excuse/fantasize about Kaname more. I hope she wakes up next chapter regretting her actions or that again Kaname comes face to face with Bloody Rose.

Miyukison said:
I personally loved this chapter!

I have been rooting for Kaname and Yuuki from the very start because I do think they're supposed to be together, full stop. I think Zero is destined to be with someone else, someone who can give him what he deserves and Yuuki can't do that.

This chapter finally answered my prayers and confirmed that Kaname wasn't just a crazy vampire and that he was doing things for reasons, and I'm so glad he's back... So glad!

I guess the whole sex scene bit came as NO surprise. If I'm really honest I'd already presumed that they'd done it a long time ago been as though they were living together for over a year.



I hope the plot carries on this way. KANAME X YUUKI!



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I don't think they never had sex before though, as Kaname said that words "If ure okay with someone like me" and then their in the bed doing "something", so i guess that are their first time together.. ^^v



ps: can't wait for chapter 90 and the new arc! xD

nice chapter . yeah yume !!!

after reading this i think there are two possible endings , either all 3 will die or kaname dies and becomes the parent metal , isaya turns yuuki human (she fails in turning kaname human) hence zeki starts afresh .

I honestly dont want kaname dead .

Sabamiki said:
I think Zero should just kill them all.



I'm kidding.



But if I'm being honest here, I think Yuki should just stay with Kaname and they should leave Zero the hell alone. He doesn't need to be pulled into their chaos. Purebloods have been toying with his life since he was a child. He has lost his family, his love, his memories of that love, practically everything that gave his life meaning. I no longer want to see his feelings, his loyalty, and his sacrifices go unnoticed. It's too painful.

He will never be free so long as they are still in his life.



You know what also makes me upset?



The way Yuki barely acknowledges Kaien Cross. That man has done more good things for Yuki than anyone else in this story, yet it's as though he doesn't exist. He's just "Chief Director" to her.



I think I can forgive what she has done (as hard as that is). But I really, really want her to think things through more carefully. Then again, I'm certain that this side of Yuki we're seeing is no accident by Hino or a result of 'poor writing'. It goes to show that love sure as hell isn't sunshine and rainbows. It changes people, for better and worse. Makes them lose sight of what's truly important sometimes. It makes them selfish and selfless. Warm and cold.



I guess in a way I can thank Hino for exploring all of this.









I think it is a result of poor writing, rush etc that contributes to poor plot. After reading chpt 89, it seems to me that hino trying to troll around by giving us false zeki hope in the previous 2 chapters, and severely destroying it in one chapter. Yes, I am a zero fan and it makes me annoyed when we are supposed to wait 2 months for this chapter when it going to have a yume ending instead of a zeki ending which many would expect it to be after reading 87, 88. Seriously, it just makes it seems that those zeki plot are unnecessary and meaningless. Furthermore, zero's life is being fuck up by pure blood from the beginning of the story till now, I hope hino can give a good ending to zero to redeem herself. Kaname manipulates, murders whether it is for good or evil which I don't care and now he is trying to be the world's saviour, don't joke with me. Zero should kill all the vampires on this planet, it is not the Purebloods' fault but the very existence of vampire which distorts the world. Killing purebloods should be zero's job not kaname in the first place. Contradicting huh?



After all a knight should be a sword wielder not a gun wielder. Hino seems to hint this right from the start I think, but no one took notice.  I respect the author decision.

Okay, so like everyone else noticed, the biggest plot twist was the sex scene between Kaname and  Yuuki.  (this was a shocker to me in that she is just now seeing Kaname for the first time in who knows how long!) But I don't think that it's quite time to label Yuuki as "whore" or "slut".  As other posters have noted, she is obviously confused about who she wants.



Personally, I think that the tears we see in her eyes while in bed with Kaname indicate that she realizes that she still loves Zero, and that this is not the kind of relationship she wants to have with Kaname.  I am still on the Zeki boat as I have been all through the series, and I do think that things will work out to that pairing's benefit come the end of the series.



Speaking of, it's not the end of the series yet!!!! We all know that we have to wait 30 days to find out what happens next, so let's just wait and see what happens! I agree that Matsuri Hino could have left out some of Yuuki's melodramatic running backandforth between the two guys, but we just gotta remember: the story isn't over yet! Let's not be so quick to discard this manga....



The Zeki boat hasn't sunk yet!!! (imho)

Narutowolf77 said:
ragingx said:
5+ chapters and story destroyed in 1 chapter...



Yuuki really needs to wake up and realize that Zero was (still barely clinging onto the two of them getting together) the better choice. He was always by her side loyally, defied the hunter lineage within him countless times, gave her his blood to quench her thirst, and even offered her his life, which she cruelly at this point refused to take yet what does she do? She takes memories that belong to the human Yuuki and Zero not her as well as running back to her obsession (Kaname). Honestly Zero was far better for her as when she was with him and away from Kaname she actually stood on her own feet (a little but still there) as opposed to Kaname where she's constantly coddled and told/suggested/manipulated into doing what Kaname deems good for her.  



There is no logic or reasoning to her running to Kaname and sleeping with him to make up her mind. Is she a whore, slut, or whatever? No but she's also not very bright and needs a lot of mental help.



I hate Kaname not for being with Yuuki but just because of his personality. He should have sent her away rather than indulging her insanity but like the idiot he is he took her in.



At this point I want Zero to use the Blood Rose to kill him in front of Yuuki and let her live with the consequences of what she caused to happen. I'll keep reading but by far this was a very poor decision on Hino's part.



I disagree with Zero being the better choice, Kaname has also done plenty for Yuuki as this chapter fully explained. He's thrown himself down in the dirt for her, pretending to kill someone to push her away so that she wouldn't be hurt by his actions. He wanted to protect her from the moment he laid eyes on her when she was born. It's also not what he "deems good for her" what Kaname does he does for her safety. She has also stood on her own feet in this chapter when she kissed Kaname and told him off for lying to her all this time, not to mention several chapters back when she yelled at him because she thought he did something to Ruka and when she took the artemis and left the manor. There's also the way Zero treated her in the past. All three of the main characters have flaws in the way that they treat each other (one of the things I like about this manga, it actually provides a human element rather than the perfection you find in other shoujo manga) I also disagree with him being her "obsession" if that's the case then Yuuki is Zero's "obsession" because the situation is no different.



As for there being no logical reasoning to her running to Kaname and sleeping with him to make up her mind. First of all she cares about Kaname this was established a long time ago in the manga and now she finds out he only pretended to kill Aido-dono  but that he plans to sacrifice himself naturally she is going to want to be with him, especially after being away from him for so long. As for her sleeping with him to make up her mind, those were Kaname's words, not her's and she IS Kaname's fiance as she reminded Zero 2-3 chapters back, how does sleeping with your fiance make you a slut or a whore?



I also don't get how you say Kaname should have sent Yuuki away. She's crying and clinging to him and is really emotional would you turn someone out like that? And it's not "insanity" she wants to be with Kaname right now and he wants to be with her, he loves her if you haven't figured that out already.

All that Kaname has done is more for his own goals than for hers. Everything he's done was without her asking him to this isn't for her its for him. He wants to die but uses her as an excuse to continue to live rather than just dying. Kissing Kaname is not standing up to him telling him what he did was wrong and that if they were to pursue a relationship it'd take time for her to forgive him thats her standing up to him. She literally forgave him for all he's done just because a few things were lies, this isn't normal and is her yet again going into obsession/idolizing mode. Zero treated her as an equal and as such called her out on things she did that were stupid or showed her his frustration as you would to someone that is close to you. Can you perceive Zero as having an obsession? Sure, except oh right he doesn't just accept whatever she does by her word alone. He's made her feel responsible for her actions not coddled her.



To elaborate on the obsession: she is constantly running back to Kaname without a single thought or resistance as if he is a saint. She constantly ignores anything Zero does for her when Kaname is around because she's in obsession mode.



Yes, she cares about him but running to him out of nowhere and sleeping with him only 1 chapter after finding out that he's only responsible for 3/4ths of the b.s. going on rather than all, thats just insane. I said she isn't a slut, whore, or etc and that fiance b.s. is a shield as she has shown repeatedly that she isn't solidly in love with just Kaname. And that still wouldn't make her actions sane considering just a few chapters ago she was going to kill him.



Yes I would have sent her away, is taking advantage of her in that state better? She's in no state to decide anything at that point. Kaname has a very twisted form of love for her: Do as I suggest or say for your own good; I'll kill people for you even if you never asked me to; Come to my bed after having gone through a traumatic event like erasing Zero's memories of her.



The story should've just continued on the track it was going instead of this complete b.s. 180 turn from the previous chapter. Saying this shows how much I disagree with the chapter as I have a rule about not insulting another writer's work as I understand that its that writer's story but this is just too far.

ragingx said:




So you don't mind me using Yume? Its just easier to type and its also the one I've been running into the most on forums like these.



Now see to me it would seem that he's referring to the ancestress because of the 'this time I want to keep protecting this warmth' as in he failed with the ancestress thus  in Yuuki he sees a second chance.



Whatever floats your boat :)



Hmm, it could be possible that he's actually referring to both simultaneously. As in he's mixing the memories of them together in his head, that actually seems more likely than him clearly referring to one or the other as he doesn't remember his past and Yuuki and the Ancestress are similar. It's been known to happen to people (I once thought a scene I had read in a book was from a manga because my mind had mixed together a dream I had had about reading a manga about the book and the actual memory from the book o.O).

AnnaVk said:
Arurie said:
Did... Yuuki just sleep with Kaname...?

I'm going to be sick. I'm done with this manga.

Stupid girl.

YES! YES GOD IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID...

I HATE YUUKI SHE'S A SLUT SLUT SLUT...

And besides, what she did was really selfish. It's like, we all know that she knows that she was the reason for Zero to keep living and she did this thing... Jeez, IMO :( Welcome to my world xD I wish she'd just gone ahead and ended it back then now =.= then again she's an idiot that hasn't matured a bit or has reversed it the moment she's back with Kaname. Here's to hoping that Shiki and Rima become official cause at least they are good together and don't have all the b.s. going on.