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Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion
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Narutowolf77 said:
ragingx said:
Page? (Again I've got MMO running and another manga open so not much time to go page hopping)
And if he dies then its not invalid, he gets to be with ancestress and Zero gets to be with Yuuki.
He's indulging her again (like a big brother would) and incest isn't a big deal to them anyway. But if you (not literally you but anyone who says it) say that Zero is just a 'best friend' to Yuuki then I'll say that Kaname treats her like a little sister. Basic point is: don't degrade Zeki by saying they don't have romantic love and you'll get no response from me. Though I do honestly believe that this explains his constant spoiling her and trying to push her onto a path he thinks is best for her, regardless of what she thinks, and in this sense makes me dislike Kaname a little less since big brothers are supposed to dote on and spoil their little sisters.
It's on pages 28 and 29
The idea that big brothers are supposed to dote on and spoil their little sisters is a bit idealistic to me but that's probably because my own brother has never treated me this way and I've never come across a big brother that does treat his little sister this way in real life. To me a big brother-little sister relationship is more like Ichigo and his little sisters where he cares about them but they bicker on occasion. Probably why I've never seen Kaname and Yuuki as having a big brother little sister relationship : Um don't kill me or anything but what was the chapter that those pages go to and what were we talking about? ._. I completely forgot what we were talking about in the time since we last talked. I've had my head knee-deep in Nisekoi and re-watching Blood Plus (oddly in which I totally support the one that would fit the "Kaname role") so my mind has been distracted ._. like I said don't kill for this.
Well to me this is the only way I don't get annoyed with Kaname constantly doting on her cause it makes it seem like all guys are supposed to do this or else they don't get the girl. Well yeah I guess it may be idealism but its just how I see it, might be because I don't have a sister thus I imagine its how I may be towards one. This is one of my reasons for being more for Zeki than Yume (is there a difference between this and KanaYuu? cause I'm really trying not to offend you or anyone else here cause my close friend told me I was a bit too harsh in my last response so I'm honestly trying to watch what I say, ugh I may have been tamed >.>)
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Stuff Zeki. Zero just move on and get somebody better than her.
Worst case scenario for this manga: Yuki get pregnant has a baby and then Zero falls in love with it... *cough*Twilight*cough*
- #47
snipped as usual
If I come across as rude or disrespectful then I'm partially sorry for that but I can assure for the entire time I've been posting here I've been maintaining my civility believe it or not. Unfortunately my patience only goes so far with people that want to have Kaname praised or his and Yuuki's love seen as 'true love' as if to degrade what Zero and her have. And again if you want to see 'true love' then see Haji and Saya thats 'true love' unlike Kaname's b.s. Considering the content of the post was in response to the shipping glasses which you have addressed to me before though my response remains the same.
There's love then there's obsessed and Yuuki is obsessed. Love is when you care for someone but have your own ideas and life , obsessed is indulging them no matter what they do and running to them non-stop. I never once claimed Zero a saint but in comparison to Kaname he's closer to it and is definitely better for Yuuki. And how exactly has anything proven Kaname to be anything other than manipulative? If she loves Kaname then she wouldn't have joined the hunters to track him down, she wouldn't have danced with Zero and kissed him (knowing his feelings for her and her's for him).
No, it didn't work as now he's seemingly going to remember them. Oh and they weren't her's to take in the first place. She should've left them be and left him be rather than take away his memory of the human Yuuki.
Forgiveness reaches its end quickly. You can/should only forgive so much before you say enough and Kaname easily went beyond this.
As much loyalty as Zero has shown her and she erases his memories then runs off to sleep with Kaname. I'm sorry but I don't see anything there but her own spoiled nature as a pureblood and the fact that she refuses to cherish loyalty (which is far greater than having your path manipulated and carved out for you but the one that supposedly loves you).
Not to Zero but to the Hunter's Association or anywhere else even the Night Class dorms or event to Yori's room. Do I want to let him escape? No, I'd want her to cuss him out and maybe just maybe show a little anger at him for what he's done instead of hopping into bed with him.
How did she choose him 2 chapters ago? By saying she's his fiance? Have you ever heard of using a shield or excuse why you shouldn't be with someone? The same way Zero says he can't be with her because she's a pureblood when everything he does says otherwise.
She could literally destroy the academy and not get a single word of reprimand from Kaname. He refuses to let her fight her own fights instead going after the other purebloods for her. He takes a soft tone with her as to not her precious feelings. I'm sorry but I'll take Zero's style in this regard. He doesn't treat her as a delicate thing that needs to be shielded from everything, he doesn't use a soft tone and say its okay when she does stupid stuff, and he doesn't fawn over her every minute of the day.
No, I didn't as I don't go to manga sites that I don't know are safe or use. And regardless anytime she does stand up she backs down and goes into puppy mode the next chance she gets. When she was with Zero she was never in puppy mode but instead was actually normal.
I forgive but not constantly and I sure as h*ll wouldn't be in a relationship with pureblood Yuuki. I prefer my significant other to not depend on me and to forge their own path, to not need me to spend every moment showing how I care about them. I wouldn't be with a spoiled princess type (pureblood Yuuki). And for the record I already have some I'm close with and she agrees with me on Kaname and especially on Yuuki so obviously I'm doing just fine.
I read it as I reply (even opening a wordpad to read them in more detail as this little box sucks for it). You act like I'm supposed to come to an epiphany and go "oh yeah I totally go with Yuuki x kaname now." but this won't happen. I respect your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it and especially not with the way you want to portray Kaname. I'll take Zero's loyalty over anything of Kaname's any day of the week.
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jeojeobean said:
Had to make an account to add my (well, my sister's, really) two cents....
To be honest, I don't really care much for Vampire Knight. However, it's my sister's favorite manga and she's constantly sharing details of the latest chapter and/or an epiphany she's had about the plot or characters.
That aside, she just mentioned something that I found to be rather true:
If Kaname hadn't killed Zero's parents and blahblahblah, Zero would have never fallen in love with Yuuki. Had Kaname left Zero and his family alone, the only way Zero and Yuuki would've ever had a chance to interact would be through Kaien..... something about how he's an ex-hunter and Zero's parents would've still been hunters (most likely).....
Meh, it made more sense when my sis said it :P
And if Rido had never gone through with his revival plan then Kaname would've never been brought in to the current timeline to meet with Yuuki. There's still a chance that Zero and Yuuki would've met considering that he's of the hunter lineage and Kaien would likely still be attempting to bring the two races together. In any case 'if Kaname had never manipulated the situation with Zero's parents then he and Yuuki would never have met thus its justified' doesn't absolve Kaname just as Rido's bringing actions, which are in the same line of thought as Kaname's from point of view as everything he did was out of 'love', don't absolve him (note not saying you were trying to imply anything but I have seen this justification mentioned before and I disagree with it everytime.)
he said to Yuki, "if we both human we will never meet each other" or something like that.. xD I take this as him trying, in his own passive kind of way which is in everything he does, that he's learned to accept her as she is because if she wasn't that way then they wouldn't have ever met (though I disagree with him as I believe in the 'red string of fate'). To me Zero and Yuuki's relationship was built around acceptance and growth and is one of the reason I hope they're together but just my opinon. No matter what happens in the end for me the pinnacle of series was the kiss at the ball as both of them were finally being honest with themselves.
- #49
This is ridiculous. I know the love triangle is the selling-point of the manga, but...I think I would be able to digest this all better if Yuki would just STAY with one. Its clear she loves both, its clear she can't forget one of them, but she has to choose. Choose who she wants to be with more. All she's doing is being intimate with the guy who's closer to her at the time and goes right back to the other guy when one disappears. Even now after their sex scene, it is STILL hinting that Zero has a chance by showing him at the end of the chapter holding his head. I wouldn't be nearly half as appalled at this chapter if it was confirmation that Kaname really will be the end guy, but even now it is still wishy-washy.
Yuki wants to die for Kaname, Kaname wants to die for Yuki. Vampire Knight always has a depressing tone arching over its story, but even the sex scene being this depressing is ridiculous. Their first time giving eachother their love and Yuki is crying, and Yuki/Kaname are planning to die the next day. Lol. Makes me think their thinking "doesn't matter, had sex"
Zero plz, just run away, run as far away as possible.