Narutowolf77 said:
ragingx said:
Narutowolf77 said:
snipped You think I'm the one with the shipping glasses? I admit I have them but you're the same. I'd choose "But I'm a vampire." which is her usual cop-out when Zero has clearly shown he doesn't care about that anymore. Again the change of killing and make him human is a case of 'Kaname obsession' syndrome mixed with her immature idiocy as obviously he can't deserve death, no he should just become a human cause that makes total sense. Zero didn't draw the Bloody Rose on him either does this mean Zero loves Kaname? No, it doesn't as the party is supposed to be a neutral zone.
I assume the last bit is to excuse Kaname's taking advantage of her mental state. I never though that he read her mind to get that. Look at her reactions add to that what she has done to Zero and duh its obvious she's not going to be in a good mental state, so he would have to be a moron not to notice. And his great plan to help her decide who to love is what? To sleep with him, yeah cause this makes soooooo much sense.
"Yuuki is a bright, beautiful, strong young woman." I agree she could be all 3 unfortunately she's only 1 out of 3 at the moment.
Bright subtractors:
-Erased Zero's memories of the human Yuuki to try and ease his pain
-Accepts that Kaname has killed people as if its nothing big.
-She tosses Zero's loyalty to her aside as if it means little
-Goes to Kaname when her mind is completely unstable in ch. 89
-Proceeds to sleep with Kaname
Strong subtractors:
-Constantly runs back to Kaname to be coddled
-If actually stands up to Kaname next chance she gets reverses it and caves to him
-She easily shifts from wanting to stop Kaname back to obsession mode because he didn't happen to kill one person but has others.
Yuuki has shown signs of being able to grow up whenever she gets the h*ll away from Kaname. He is a poison to her as she will never mature with him there to constantly coddle her rather than to tell her when she does wrong or let her deal with the situations she causes.
You're tone is being really rude, I never implied you had shipping glasses on in that post nor was I even addressing you personally it was a general post meant for everyone on this forum. That comment was meant for Zeki fans in general because some of them do wear shipping glasses and refuse to see things from a different perspective.
Clearly you're bent on seeing Yuuki as an "obsessed" Kaname fangirl. Have you ever even considered that she may love him? You do know the saying love is blind right? And if she's obsessed simply because of the fact that she can forgive him, then you are clearly obsessed with Zero because the way you talk about him he's a saint. You also seem to be bent on seeing Kaname as a manipulative guy who just wants to take advantage of Yuuki. Of course he knows that she's upset but like I stated I don't think that she's upset just because of Zero like Kaname probably believes her to be. If you even read my post then you would see I'm presenting the idea that maybe she loves Kaname more and has chosen him but Kaname who doesn't know this believes she loves Zero more and she just doesn't realize it, thus he wants to make her see that, not make her decide who she loves. Kaname already THINKS he knows who she loves.
"Bright subtractors":
- Well it worked didn't it? He's not dying of thirst anymore or in danger of falling to Level E. Was it cruel because he didn't want them taken? Yes. But was it a smart idea as well as a kindness because now he doesn't have to suffer? Yes.
- It's called forgiveness. You want the exact definition of it?
Forgiveness - "disposition or willingness to forgive."
Forgive - "to grant pardon for or remission of (an offense, debt, etc.); absolve."
Absolve - "to free from guilt or blame or their consequences"
Straight from dictionary.com
- She hasn't tossed his loyalty aside as if it means little, would she be upset about erasing his memories if it meant so little to her? She wanted to help him. She erased his memories for the same reason she wants to turn Kaname human, because she cares about them.
- She didn't go to Kaname, Kaien brought her there and left her there. Where else was she supposed to go after that? Back to Zero? He doesn't remember her. I also think you're forgetting that she has been trying to catch Kaname, that was her goal when she left with Zero. What did you think they were just going on a friendly outting? And now that he's finally right before her eyes you just want her to leave and let him escape again when a chance like this probably won't present itself again.
- Yes but as I stated above perhaps she does in fact love Kaname more than Zero and has chosen him back about 2 chapters ago. It's possible, a possibility that would make it perfectly fine to sleep with him and a possibility that you don't even seem to consider.
"Strong subtractors":
- Kaname does not coddle her, I'm sick of you using that word. He is overprotective (understandable considering the first woman he loved sacrificed herself) but that isn't the same as coddling, he allows her freedom and also reprimands her as seen in one of the examples I posted earlier where he is scolding Yuuki and Aido for opening the door.
- I gave you several examples where she stood up to him without caving to him. Did you even bother to look at them?
- As I said above it's called forgiveness. If you can't forgive someone you shouldn't even consider being in a relationship with them.
I feel as though you are so fixated on your own opinions you don't even consider anyone else's nor do I feel as though you read my posts, more like skim them.
I must say that some of the things that you have stated are to be considered, even though I am a TRUE Zero-fan.
As I see it, both you and I are seeing what other Zero fans wants to deny; the fact that Yuuki loves Kaname. It doesn't matter if her feelings for him is less or more than for Zero, it is enough for her to sleep with him. Yeah, it sure was a big pain seeing her together in bed with Kaname, but at the same time I am not surprised, her connection with him is too strong both physically and mentally. (Yeah, they are after all SIBLINGS (yuck) and he had to be the one saving her those many years ago, making her fawn over him well into her teens)
BUT, since I do feel for my dear hon Zero, I have to disagree with you on one point.
1 Kaname IS selfish. He plays with peoples feelings, structures and manipulates them to fit his needs. If he wasn't selfish he could have left her living a normal girls life never finding out about her true roots, instead he had to be there while she grew up, purposely drawing her to him and into his chaos. Sure, she might had felt empty inside for the rest of her life, but isn't that better than finding out that you are a bloodsucking vampire?? I would rather live a boring (?) life with a normal loving husband than getting in the middle with vampires and hunters craving for war.
2 Do you remember those chapters when Yuuki WAS living with Kaname and when he was babysitting her into becoming a fitting pureblood? I don't know about you guys but all of that just felt...FAKE. I mean, it felt like Kaname was playing dress-up with one of his dolls, his favorite one being Yuuki. In the end he realized his favorite doll wasn't happy being stuck in this creepy underground place and he had to set her free. WAIT, why taking her there in the first place if he sooner or later knew she would be restless being trapped there?? Oh right, he was selfishly "protecting" her.
3 Kaname was using Ruka. Need I say more?? (yeah sure he apologised, but still)
4 He was using Zero and his brother to clean his shit. Wait, isn't Zero Yuukis, like, bestfriend? God, no matter how much I make myself think I love a guy, I would never make my bestfriend clean that guys shit. (I am referring to those chapters when Kaname let Zero drink his blood. Don't bash on Zero, he was convinced he did it for Yuuki)
5....Lord, I just don't have the appetite to write more about Kaname. Lets just end it with Yuuki being a...cunfused girl. I really do feel sorry for her, considering her messed up life.
Well Zero hon, I am there for you.
