Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

Narutowolf77 said:
There would have been no point in taking all of Zero's memories as the reason she did it was so she wouldn't have to worry about him as it was his love for her that was starving Zero and making him close to falling to Level E. If she had taken all of his memories he would have been as helpless as a child just like she was completely helpless after her mother suppressed her memories and made her human and it would have defeated her purpose.



I don't see any reason why Zero can't move on and find someone else when he has a ton of people that care about him and would support him such as Maria, Kaien, Yagari, Kaito, and Yori to name a few as all of them have demonstrated concern and caring for Zero. In my opinion if he is not capable of moving on with so many people supporting him it would make him look pretty stupid and pathetic much akin to how Sasuke looked back in the first half of Naruto when happiness was staring him straight in the face and he ignored it. I think that his new purpose would have something to do with managing the hunter's association as the next president (if he doesn't recover his memories) or striving to make bring the vampire and human worlds together because its what the girl he loved would have wanted (if he does recover his memories), similar to how Kaien changed as his personality was once a lot like Zero's.



I thought that Zero would fall to Level E anyway? He never got to drink Shizuka's blood. All Yuki did was delay it with a temporary solution, then what?



The reason I said that it would've been better for Yuki to take "everything" is because it would give Zero more initiative to start over. Since only his memories of Yuki were taken away, it was basically only his happy memories that were taken. I might be wording this wrong but I can't seem to put it in a different way... *thinks harder*



But anyway, that same reason also accounts to why I don't think Zero would be successful in moving on from his past. Almost all his life he's been suffering and his only goal is to kill all the pure bloods. However, all the pure bloods have already made plans of their own and will die the way that THEY wish to die. Zero doesn't have any say in it. What will he think of himself? A failure? Someone who failed to get revenge for his family. And with the way he was acting to his classmates at the Academy, do you really think that he wants to move on? Do you really think that he wants to love someone? He's someone without any happy memories so why wouldn't he want to just kill himself once his "purpose" in life has been accomplished?



Also the last part of your post doesn't make sense. Why would Zero want to ever bring the vampires and humans together? Vampires made his life miserable, there's no way that that's gonna happen. Also you should already know that he doesn't want to be the Hunter Association president. He is disgusted with himself for being the very thing that he despises. He's a vampire. Yet, another reason that he wouldn't want to live longer than he has to.

@kuranlover7891





"I sacrifice a lot for this manga! And ppl (that r not into mangas) tease me all the the time cause its kind of impossible to not talk about your obsession even when no one wants to hear ... Tsk."



Just ignore these kinds of people =.= If you enjoy your manga then enjoy it and they can go to...well you can figure the rest of this line xD  



"Is it the fact that he's gonna throw his heart in the furnace or because she's loosing her virginity or because she's regretting or she's overjoyed or what but she definitely doesn't look over joyed and it better not be because of regret if not I'm dropping the manga ( which is next to impossible) and going to Japan to give three shots to hino matsuri."



My personal beliefs are:



1) that she's regretting her actions, which Kaname told her before hand she would as her heart lies with Zero (though I say he's wrong in this as her heart is torn between them evenly)



2) she realizes what will happen the next day and everything that has happened/will happen is setting in



"4) zero is just an obstacle ( sowi kero and yuuki fans.. >_< don't eat me pls ) that Yuuki has finally taken care of by erasing his memories of her. Even though they wa she did it was quite cruel, well love ain't easy. Now that zero's memories are gone there's no going back .... She now has kaname to concentrate on"



God I wish some KanaYuu's would accept that he and Yuuki love each other and have just as much reason to be together. As a Zeki fan even I'm willing to admit that both guys have this and that neither are an 'obstacle'. Its been hinted already, if you pay attention, that Zero could regain his memories via his love for Yuuki.



"BUT! There is a tendency that zero will remember ... And then if this happens the manga will just become complicated.... There are so many ways this could go.



1) zero could remember his memories and decide not to tell anyone.



2) zero could remember and remember her cruelty and decide to kill her ( which is next to impossible)"



3) Kaname sacrifices himself to restore Yuuki to being human and making new 'parent metal' and Zero regains his memories then gradually he rebuilds his relationship with the new human Yuuki.



4) Same as above except that Zero doesn't regain his memories but they meet again both and gradually build a new relationship.



5) Yuuki sacrifices herself to turn Kaname human and he starts a relationship with Zero (and the KaZe fans yell 'Told you it wasn't impossible!')



6) Hino could do a major twist and have the purebloods from the end of 89 kill them all and end the series on that note.

well i saw the scanalations for the chapter then the translated version....well it was sad in general TT



kaname is good and make it all for the sake of yuki(  I said that may times in my previous posts ,so it wasn't surprising at all ) at least people stopped hating kaname and now blaming yuki....



kaname was and still suffering since the bigenning ,being the ancestor and all that....at least yuki, chairman and zero's sensei was there for him...but kaname was alone suffering even the only girl he loved , didn't belong fully for him..





and the love triangle is still on, it is the selling point .so ending it before the last chapter is not in matsuri's favor.



itis going to be a tragedy so it is already one( thinking about kaname)



kaname will die (TT) there is big chance( sure i hope not), but there is many theories :



kaname dies and yuki turns z ero into a human





yuki dies protecting kaname and he gives his heart to the furnace





kaname dies and yuki and zero live together raising kaname's child( ohh this would be aweful for all of them !!)



the three of them die



and many other gloomy ending, sure i hate these endings.



the scence between yuki and kaname !!!! oh sure I didn't see this coming!

I must agree with everyone, Zero deserves someone better, I have loved Zeki for a long time, some chapters gave me hope, but others make me hate Yuuki and call her names...well, for me this one was the end of it.

I think he would be happier with Maria or maybe Sayori, but Maria is my fave to end up with him now.

Orulyon said:


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                        ok, so like everyone knows already, the highlight of this chapter was the sex scene between Kaname/Yuuki.

Im shipping Zero with anyone. Anyone will do but Yuuki. Im rooting for Kaito x Zero actually, but I dont mind Yori or Maria

Congrats Yume shippers and from the bottom of my heart with all the honesty, Im truly wishing that Yuuki stays with Kaname forever (no, Im not being sarcastic) and truly wishing that Zero never remembers her face again.



Zeki shippers? Are you still there? Leave that ship please, you are disrespecting Zero by shipping it with a girl that does not deserve him. She loves Kaname the most, hence, Zero deserves someone who can love him wholeheartedly. IMO.



And well, everyone wants to die in this manga. jeezz.



My thoughts exactly. YukixZero were good together but this Yuki is just messed up and doesn't deserve Zero at all.



I think Zero will be the only one to survive from the 3. He'll probably end up living a happy life.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
lol theres a sex scene? So my "yuuki's a slut" comment is now finally valid, or is she a whore in this case, either way yuuki is an awful character



Well since she erased Zero´s memories and he doesnt remember her anymore, technically she is not cheating him because she "broke up" with him. yay. She is the worst heroine ever, and Ive seen really bad heroines and hundreds of love triangles already, but Ive never seen someone so indecisive like her. Very very bad. I rather ship Kaname x Zero.



@Lulexiaa: Ultra fast Resume: Kaname wanted to kill purebloods to protect Yuuki. He wants to die to become the new parent (aka, replace the ancestress and make his body turn into weapons to hunters, so they can protect humans). In the previous chapters, Yuuki confessed she loved Zero and they kissed. This chapter she erased his memories he doesnt remember her. She makes up with Kaname after finding out that all he did was for her sake. Kaname gets shocked when he finds out that she erased Zero´s memories and indirectly tells her that with him she never was able to laugh with her heart. He says that he knows that her heart is divided and then they go to bed, have sex while Yuuki tears up (dunno if she is crying because she is losing her virginity or if its because she knows that might be the last time she will be with Kaname since she has plans to die in his place).





loki_16 said:
I'm happy cause I don't want Zero to end up with Yuuki. He deserves much better.

Even ending up alone is better, trust me.

Mooniechick said:
ragingx said:
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I agree with you on Kaname but I still can't not rage on the image of her sleeping with him and him going along with it. It just makes little to no sense and is sure as h*ll not romantic in that context. And nope never heard of that show or whatever it may be.



Well its true but honestly it doesn't affect my view on him at all. He has many many other reasons for me to dislike him than this. I love the Juuri and Haruka pairing even though they are brother and sister I could care less as I do get that they care for each other (and Haruka is just awesome xD) If the story backs up them being together then incest is merely a side note. Another reason I hate 89 is that it broke where the story was going to go into a completely different route that makes little sense.



I get your point and believe me, I am not too happy about seeing Yuuki and Kaname in bed together either. But what is a person to do when the power lays with the mangaka?? Hino-sensei is the one who failed so many Zero-fans. I wouldn't even limit it to Zero-fans just fans in general, except those that will take any Yuuki x Kaname scene or event they can. The whole chapter was half-done or at least it felt like it was. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if she had an enormous troll face meme on the cover of the next chapter xD At least Rima and Shiki haven't fallen apart so I can at least hope for the best there and for Ruka to finally wake up to Kain's feelings though honestly with the way women in the series fall to Kaname's feet I'm not placing my hope too high =.=

Aisein said:
Well chapter 89 was a big disappointment <--- that is an understatement



I'm still pissed at Yuki. Imo, she would have been more "forgiveable" for taking Zero's memories if she had taken everything. Before people start ranting about this post, read that sentence again. I NEVER said that erasing Zero's memories is acceptable. NEVER. I'm just saying that if she was planning on erasing Zero's memories, why would she only erase the ones that he cherished?



If she was going to take his memories, she should have at least taken both the good and the bad. That way he can start over completely. The only reason that Zero had the will to live (especially with everything that's happened) is because he was in love with Yuki and that he wanted to kill all pure bloods. So now that he doesn't even have memories of Yuki, he's just a killing machine with no other purpose.



Kaname, Yuki, and Izaya are the only pure bloods left (iirc). Kaname is trying to kill himself by becoming the parent, Yuki is trying to kill herself to turn Kaname into human, and Izaya is probably also going to die for some other reason. So once they're all gone, what's Zero's purpose? Nothing. Other people would move on and find something else but Zero can't. He's had everything taken away from him and doesn't have anyone to love so when those three idiots finish their business, his only choice is to kill himself.



Read this if TL;DR --> Bottom line: Yuki made everything worse by putting Zero in the absolute worst position. Actually, scratch that. She didn't just put him there, she pushed him there. <-- Read this if TL;DR



There would have been no point in taking all of Zero's memories as the reason she did it was so she wouldn't have to worry about him as it was his love for her that was starving Zero and making him close to falling to Level E. If she had taken all of his memories he would have been as helpless as a child just like she was completely helpless after her mother suppressed her memories and made her human and it would have defeated her purpose.



I don't see any reason why Zero can't move on and find someone else when he has a ton of people that care about him and would support him such as Maria, Kaien, Yagari, Kaito, and Yori to name a few as all of them have demonstrated concern and caring for Zero. In my opinion if he is not capable of moving on with so many people supporting him it would make him look pretty stupid and pathetic much akin to how Sasuke looked back in the first half of Naruto when happiness was staring him straight in the face and he ignored it. I think that his new purpose would have something to do with managing the hunter's association as the next president (if he doesn't recover his memories) or striving to make bring the vampire and human worlds together because its what the girl he loved would have wanted (if he does recover his memories), similar to how Kaien changed as his personality was once a lot like Zero's.