Vinland Saga Chapter 196 Discussion

  • #34
MichaelJackson said:
Satan1234 said:
So people are blaming Ivar? Imo it's more of the old man's fault. What do you expect trying to harm a leader in front of his group. And Ivar doesn't even know that thorfinn could have dealt with the old man on his own. He just protected his leader which makes perfect sense.



Except its the norsemen fault, including Thorfinn, for invading a land that didnt belong to them. That elder was just protecting their kind.



I do think calling them invaders is inaccurate. The Norse are peacefully settling the land and exchanging resources with the Lnu. They are inhabiting a piece of land that is not already occupied (the Lnu seem to mostly stay further inland in the forest). The only issue is that they are cutting down trees that are of some spiritual value to the Lnu, however it seems for most Lnu this is not an issue.



The only reason the elder decided to act so recklessly is because he hallucinated events that will occur several centuries into the future which are unrelated to the Norse settlers of the current time, it's honestly rather stupid, because in his visions he saw things that the norsemen are clearly not capable of creating/ using ("invisible arrows" for example), yet he did not dismiss the vision as nonsense. If he's using some kind of drug to see things, he must've seen other strange things before, things that could not feasibly come to be or are just plain random.



If the Norse expand too far and/ or heavily deforestate the area, or if they attack, then it would be fair to call them invaders. However, as things are now the settlement has been peaceful, and has lead to much more benefit than detriment (from what we can see).
 
  • #35
Marinate1016 said:
It was gonna happen anyway, we know that the Europeans colonise the Americas lol. It wasn’t the Norse tho.



Norway is in europe, therefore they are europeans?

regardless, vinland saga isn’t a direct descent of history, it’s flawed in many aspects, this includes throfinns character.

it isn’t a direct copy of history.

so take the “real” historical events with a grain of salt when theorising the future of vinland saga.
 
  • #36
Its another chapter of the best piece of media ever created. Its as great as every other chapter
 
  • #37
Marinate1016 said:
UaEfAlCoN83 said:
Marinate1016 said:
Ryuseishun said:
Damn, fuck Ivar. He and his people acting out solely out of self interest.



Anyways, quite an abrupt turn of events. What will Thorfinn do now?



Overall not a bad chapter at all to say the least, but I can understand people getting upset by this.

Why would it be fuck ivar? He saved thorfinn lol



He didn't because Thorfinn could defend himself easily. Also, the tribe did not hear what the old man said, and they weren't close enough to see what was happening. They will definitely misinterpret what happened because they don't know the details, only the outcome. The safest option was for Thorfinn to dodge or hold the old man's hand.







Nah, I’m with ivar on this one. The guy was in front of everyone lifting an axe.



I’m a bit late to the party, but I just wanna say that Ivar has never seen Thorfinn fight before. In fact in all of the Vinland arc Ivar has perceived Thorfinn as a weak leader. He was simply doing what he thought was right and protecting him.
 
  • #38
Ivar was just lying in wait for the perfect excuse to resort to violence. You never wanna be the side that instigated the fight, and while the Shaman did intend to swing the axe at Throfinn, his actions shouldn’t reflect on his entire people. Thorfinn could have easily dealt with this situation and probably show everyone just how strong he is for disarming and pacifying the shaman. But because Ivar interfered, Thorfinn comes off as a weak leader that needs to be protected instead of someone who can fend for himself. And that’s the frustrating thing because we the audience know what Thorfinn is capable of but Ivar and the other settlers don’t XD. Now Ivar’s gonna have that “see I told ya so” attitude with Thorfinn 😩
 
  • #41
Big moral dilemma, Thorfinn was saved, but now the Lnu won't trust them
 
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