Eden: It's an Endless World! Chapter 126 Discussion

The whole last story arc of the manga was completely "Meh". I was kind of disappointed at the fact that Elijah (the supposed main character of the story) had almost nothing to do with the final arc. Elijah was my favorite character in the entire manga so the fact that he suddenly became a minor character seemingly out of nowhere was deeply disappointing.

The manga was very good, there were two things I wasn't too pleased for, though:

-the ending didn't include Elijah much

-there were two or three "excess" chapters...

Surprisingly wholesome ending for a manga that spent a lot of the previous 125 chapters proving how ruthless, cruel and pointless existence is. Obviously, it wasn't doom and gloom throughout, which I actually appreciate but I was definitely expecting things to end worse for our protagonists.



Overall, this was a fun read but it definitely lost me towards the end. The plot becomes nonsensical and we lose contact with the characters we actually care about. Still, the characters in this were definitely the highlight of the manga for me.

Eden towards the end reminded me very much of the End of Evangelion because of its themes, which wasn't really a surprise considering Endo is apparently a fan of NGE.



That ending is sure to divide opinions, being as bizarre as it is, but I think it was absolutely beautiful commentary on humanity and the meaning (Or meaninglessness!) of life. Those who wanted to be released from their suffering were given a chance, those who wanted to live on were free to do so. And the world never ended. The opposite, it multiplied.



The ending was slightly rushed, but I was satisfied with it, and that's what is most important to me. Eden wasn't perfect by any means, but I think its pros (Simply the best Sci-fi characters I have ever seen/read) far outweight its cons. (Sometimes stupid humor, some scenes that didn't have to exist and the slightly rushed ending.)



It really is an endless world.



9/10

Sunlone said:
It would have been better if I didn't have to endure stupid apron jokes.

Haha, I agree .. that was not funny nor entertaining.

kurotera said:
So 126 is the last chapter? Why does the entry page say it's got 127 chapters?



Same question !

I dropped this at chapter 72 and skipped right to the end and i found it to be garbage, it started entertaining and i really liked how brutal it was, the degree to which bodies were torn apart and how so unceremoniusly characters were dispatched in horrible ways despite their best efforst or being deserving of a better fate, but then the plot armor of the regular characters become annoying, you have kenji, sophia and elliah constantly seeing themselves in life or death situations were they never received any major injury, and if they did it was meaningless because the character in question was a fucking cyborg, kenji dispatching waves after waves of soldiers only with fucking knives and elliah never receiving more than a few punches in the face, this took away tension in the fights because you knew they were going to get away without injury or consequence, and the brutal killing of minor characters became the norm, predictable, you knew it was coming and when it was coming, usually when the characters were about to escape to other nation or just about to be rescue, this made the fights dull and uninteresting and the deaths meaningless.



Also a recurring theme of the work was "imperialism bad, minority group good, central governtment bad, opressed people good", there was no moral dilemma the work clearly presented some people as good and some as bad, some as clearly right and some as clearly wrong, by chapter 72 propatria was the big baddie yet there wasnt any major or relevant character on propatria side, we never get to see their perspective just the moral compass of the slut, the gary stue, the prostitude and the retard, those being sophia, kenji, helena and elliah respectively. The author introduces a lot of characters that exist for no other purpose than to be non white non straight non christian, making empashis on those things like they were virtues, he introduced ahmed and let you know he was muslim or gloria and let you know she was a faggot, those werent their names, i didnt bother to remember them. Shallow useless virtue signaling, this manga does that a lot, it amazes me to think a japanese wrote this instead of a biden voting imbecile, i guess the author must have vote for his japanese equivalent quite regularly.



And the idiotic ending
of having crystal penis shooting its beam of sperm light into the grativy/antigravity egg to give life to a new universe, oh, and having the main baddie, or at least i think that was him, being defeated by oh no, poor people's "despair". So yes, that was that, the art was really good, the brutality of the combats was also great and the shocking deaths were good, but those two became a regular ocurrence without any major consequence so stopped being interesting, the characters were just fine at best and annoying at worst, and childish stupid comedy became the norm around chapter 50 something, i give it an 5 out of 10.

I agree that the ending was disappointing.I was expecting to learn the origin of Maya and Lethia but we didn't learn anything at the end at all.And I also hated the fact that Enoia died and Kenji lived I was hoping for the opposite.

The focus on the Disclosure virus/ Colloid throughout the second half was the main detractor to my enjoyment of this series.



I disliked the disclosure virus development from the moment it was introduced and it just continued to snowball into this grand driving concept that I could have done entirely without.



I feel like the Mangaka felt that he needed something on that kind of scale because of the obvious mythological elements he introduced in the beginning.



At its high points this manga was incredible, I loved the characters, the mature content (both graphically and thematically), and so many of the smaller stories contained within even if what turned out to be the main story with the Colloid was a complete non-starter for me.



I enjoyed it when it was serious and unlike some in this thread I enjoyed it when it wasn't so serious. However I was definitely fatigued by the constant merciless pruning of characters I liked, I'd be complaining if he didn't kill any characters off too, but I feel like there was a balance in between that wouldn't have left me feeling like an abused spouse.



The one time I remember being annoyed by the humour was just after Mana's death which already had me reeling (by this point I seriously felt some animosity for the author, he'd played that card too many times already, and that death was one of the more unsatisfying conclusions that seemed especially pointless, Helena's being another) to be honest though I was probably more annoyed by the fact that it immediately went back to the Colloid angle more so than the humour popping up at such an inappropriate time. I felt like the author thought Mana's entry into the Colloid was supposed to act as some sort of consolation but it was like adding insult to injury for me.



I have a serious love/hate relationship with the manga now that I've read it in its entirety. I think that the fact that it was so very good in some areas just amplifies the problems I had with it. And unsatisfying conclusions seems to be the name of the game looking back now.



The timeskip and Helena's death made me stop reading for two years, I loved the relationship between her and Elijah and couldn't handle the ruthless approach Endo showed when he ended it like that, of course there were some little nods back to Helena and how Elijah was taking it but it ultimately just ended up with an unsatisfying replacement in Miriam and Elijah's relationship. Same goes for Sophia and Kenji's end, I don't know why I even pretended to hold out hope that Kenji would be able to retrieve Sophia from the "Big Barrel" but I did, because I didn't want that arc to end with her being absorbed by my very least favourite plot element and Kenji being left with his own consolation prize in a barely developed sidekick, Loji, that he picked up in the last quarter.



All in all, very mixed feelings, I actually feel pretty terrible for having finished it, but I'll score it according to the high points and try to quell the empty feeling in the pit of my stomach this Manga has left me with.



I think with a less bloodthirsty approach to characters, and a more grounded main plot than the Colloid this Manga might have been my favourite with no forseeable chance of being bettered in my mind, in its current state it has to settle for being one of, if not the best Manga I've read so far.

This thread is pretty ancient, and this comment is too, but...

Djevel said:
1) Was it said the reason why the "vacuum mass" (the mass who spread the gamma rays I mean) appears?? Was it a God's action, the effect of the Barrel (the great pillar of colloid), an action that the virus itself started to do a long time ago or a Maya's action??





My feeling on the matter was that the vacuum mass was sent by the 'god' of the current universe.  Just as Sophia is to be the entity behind the next universe, the current one presumably also had an entity in charge of it.  Turtles all the way down.

Where do you guys read this?

TopgunUK said:


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This basically summed up my feelings about the manga.



I thought it was extremely great (I would have given it a 10/10) before the four-year time skip and Helena's death (which I seriously did not understand as to why she chose to go with that guy as opposed to Eliah).

I am never a fan of time-skips, I was able to accept the 20-year time-skip in the beginning, and it was indeed shocking to have found how the lives of our pseudo-protagonists had fallen apart.

The way the four-year time-skip was implemented however, gave me serious whiplash when I realized that a time-skip had occurred.



Eliah and Helena's rather sweet romantic relationship suddenly transitioned in Helena for some reason choosing to run away with a completely unintroduced stranger, and the two dying. There was no explanation for why Helena did this, either. Eliah's lack of emotional reaction was also very jarring, since he was so emotional in the first part of the story. As another poster said, the relationship was just so perfectly healthy that for it to be ruthlessly crushed through a weak time-skip left me feeling highly betrayed. I would have accepted if they drifted apart, but not through a weak plot device like a lazy time-skip. Obviously the author wanted a cheap shock factor, rather than develop out the relationship.



The pre-time-skip arc was also quite realistic. The initial virus's origin was plausible to an extent. The biology-related jargon (which I as a student enjoyed) helped hold up the setting as the path the world took 100 years from now.

It was with the Colloid, and the pseudo-science, and the sci-fi second half that ultimately ruined the story. It was unnecessary. I would have much rather wished that the manga had taken a route similar to the atmosphere and setting of the first half.



Overall, I had mixed feelings; unsatisfied feelings. I understand the importance of main character deaths in such a story such as this, but as the story wore on, it became apparent that the mangaka had overdone it. The killing of all the good character dynamics (Eliah/Helena, Keith/Sophia, Eliah/Mana, Enoa/Hana) left a empty husk in my enjoyment of the manga. The manga should have just focused just on the story of those characters rather than expand to extreme levels.

The story became empty, and I did not care nor got attached to any of the new characters introduced. This is a example of how too much killing of the lead characters also kills a story. By the end, there was no life left in the story. All the interesting and unique character dynamics were gone, and replaced with random new faces I couldn't care less about so far into such a long manga.



The first half had a unique and interesting premise. The second half was typical of a generic sci-fi novel and the overreach that kills many mediocre sci-fis.



First Half: 10/10

Second Half: 7/0

For me there are 2 types of mangas. Those which I read and love, but as I forget I start thinking "was it really that good". And those that I read and each second it passes from the time I ended it makes me like the series more.

Eden is the later.

I started reading it after finding it on TVTropes so my expectations weren't quite high, just tought I'd see some gray & gray morality with some distorted philosophies.

I got that and I got more.



And I liked the ending. Its not that difficult to understand once you think about it for a while but it did need some more details. But it was left for us to think about it and take our own conclusions, which is good in its own way. I would have loved a bit of Elijah at the end, 2 or 3 more volumes would've done wonders.