Eden: It's an Endless World! Chapter 126 Discussion

This thread is pretty ancient, and this comment is too, but...

Djevel said:
1) Was it said the reason why the "vacuum mass" (the mass who spread the gamma rays I mean) appears?? Was it a God's action, the effect of the Barrel (the great pillar of colloid), an action that the virus itself started to do a long time ago or a Maya's action??





My feeling on the matter was that the vacuum mass was sent by the 'god' of the current universe.  Just as Sophia is to be the entity behind the next universe, the current one presumably also had an entity in charge of it.  Turtles all the way down.

Where do you guys read this?

TopgunUK said:


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This basically summed up my feelings about the manga.



I thought it was extremely great (I would have given it a 10/10) before the four-year time skip and Helena's death (which I seriously did not understand as to why she chose to go with that guy as opposed to Eliah).

I am never a fan of time-skips, I was able to accept the 20-year time-skip in the beginning, and it was indeed shocking to have found how the lives of our pseudo-protagonists had fallen apart.

The way the four-year time-skip was implemented however, gave me serious whiplash when I realized that a time-skip had occurred.



Eliah and Helena's rather sweet romantic relationship suddenly transitioned in Helena for some reason choosing to run away with a completely unintroduced stranger, and the two dying. There was no explanation for why Helena did this, either. Eliah's lack of emotional reaction was also very jarring, since he was so emotional in the first part of the story. As another poster said, the relationship was just so perfectly healthy that for it to be ruthlessly crushed through a weak time-skip left me feeling highly betrayed. I would have accepted if they drifted apart, but not through a weak plot device like a lazy time-skip. Obviously the author wanted a cheap shock factor, rather than develop out the relationship.



The pre-time-skip arc was also quite realistic. The initial virus's origin was plausible to an extent. The biology-related jargon (which I as a student enjoyed) helped hold up the setting as the path the world took 100 years from now.

It was with the Colloid, and the pseudo-science, and the sci-fi second half that ultimately ruined the story. It was unnecessary. I would have much rather wished that the manga had taken a route similar to the atmosphere and setting of the first half.



Overall, I had mixed feelings; unsatisfied feelings. I understand the importance of main character deaths in such a story such as this, but as the story wore on, it became apparent that the mangaka had overdone it. The killing of all the good character dynamics (Eliah/Helena, Keith/Sophia, Eliah/Mana, Enoa/Hana) left a empty husk in my enjoyment of the manga. The manga should have just focused just on the story of those characters rather than expand to extreme levels.

The story became empty, and I did not care nor got attached to any of the new characters introduced. This is a example of how too much killing of the lead characters also kills a story. By the end, there was no life left in the story. All the interesting and unique character dynamics were gone, and replaced with random new faces I couldn't care less about so far into such a long manga.



The first half had a unique and interesting premise. The second half was typical of a generic sci-fi novel and the overreach that kills many mediocre sci-fis.



First Half: 10/10

Second Half: 7/0

For me there are 2 types of mangas. Those which I read and love, but as I forget I start thinking "was it really that good". And those that I read and each second it passes from the time I ended it makes me like the series more.

Eden is the later.

I started reading it after finding it on TVTropes so my expectations weren't quite high, just tought I'd see some gray & gray morality with some distorted philosophies.

I got that and I got more.



And I liked the ending. Its not that difficult to understand once you think about it for a while but it did need some more details. But it was left for us to think about it and take our own conclusions, which is good in its own way. I would have loved a bit of Elijah at the end, 2 or 3 more volumes would've done wonders.

cupc said:
Eden towards the end reminded me very much of the End of Evangelion because of its themes, which wasn't really a surprise considering Endo is apparently a fan of NGE.

10/10



Where did you find this out?



TopgunUK said:




The timeskip and Helena's death made me stop reading for two years, I loved the relationship between her and Elijah



Same goes for Sophia and Kenji's end.



Couldn't agree more. Both relationships just seemed so damn healthy, so it was sad to see it end up this way, I understand the Helena thing, since ultimately its from then that we see Elijah go from just being a boy to truly being a man, but Loji seemed competent on her own while Kenji seemed rather in need of further growth via Sophia. I thought it would have made more sense for him to have gone on with her, or at least that's what I wanted for him.



Seriously though, what is up with Maya and Cherubim returning after all that?

Finally got around to finishing this manga.



No idea what Endo thought he was doing the last 30 or so chapters.



He should not have turned onto the whole geopolitical angle.

Things really went downhill after Mana's death.The beginning was awesome then the author suddenly decided that he didn't want to make it too dark and started throwing in stupid jokes.

The ending left a lot of questions unanswered.It looked like Endo himself didn't know how to end it.

I felt bad of Elijah  lost all his family but then again it looked like he didn't care much about them.



Overall 7/10

I completely agree with Sin. The ending wasn't the best, but all in all Eden was fantastic. Ennoa's death in the final chapter was rather upsetting and the use of 'People Get Ready' by The Impressions was a really nice touch. Reminded me of when Hotel used 'What a Wonderful World' by Louis Armstrong. I think I'll give Eden a ten. Sure it had its low points, but at the end of the day I came away more than satisfied, having got everything I expected from it. It was an amazing read.