Eden: It's an Endless World! Chapter 126 Discussion

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  • #18
Well the manga had highs and lows, it was epic and both chlidish, thoughtful yet meandering, and ultimately it did just wrap up as if the author had had enough (though still had time to give us one more pointless scene of nudity with the child Hana)



I made a thread lambasting the author's crude humour and sex which kept popping up distracting from the story, so that's my biggest gripe with this manga.



But I liked the research and scale of the story, the post-apocalyptic setting, the violence and cybpunk aspects, and that's pretty much it.



The story could have been told in half the amount of volumes.
 
  • #19
We could be the product of a horny colloid from an acient universe and we would never know.
 
  • #20
CFinley97 said:
Where did you find this out?



After each volume there was a "bonus", in which Endo had written a page of text about something Eden related.



I think one of the earlier bonuses was him talking about NGE and how "it was exactly what Endo had wanted to create all along", and how he liked the series.
 
  • #21
I was really indifferent to the ending. It certainly could've been better, but it wasn't bad. Overall it was an amazing work imo though.
 
  • #22
kurotera said:
So 126 is the last chapter? Why does the entry page say it's got 127 chapters?

I also cannot find the chapter 127?



Sure, there are many things I did not understand in this comic. Some examples:

Who is this Meigus guy, what are his goals, how did he become what he was in the end?

Why would a "vacuum" make a "phase transition"? What does "phase transition" mean in respect to a "vacuum" in the first place? And why would this lead to the formation of a new universe? This somehow looks like the creation of energy out of nothing, and seems to contradict the Law of Conservation of Energy to begin with. I usually do not care at all if something in fiction is possible in physics or not. However, Eden seems to take the scientific stuff seriously, so I would consider a breach of nature's laws as a flaw in this specific case.



More generally, what is this whole Pleuma project about?



Despite the unanswered questions, Eden is aiming high, and touches social and scientific issues that are usually not covered in Japanese comics or cartoons (at least if I compare to the titles I know). The topics in this piece and even the unanswered questions give some material to think about. So I would give it a 9 in the end, also considering its aim, scope, and potential...

It could have been a true masterpiece.
 
  • #23
In the end, it was a great ride throughout, but there were issues I had that prevented me from giving it a perfect score.



For one, Endo’s use of sex and graphic violence was so overly gratuitous at times that I felt I was reading Elfen Lied. I’d see panels showing small children and animals being cut in halves with their entrails spewing out and I’d just be like “yo bro, chill out man.” Humanity is cruel, I know, but you don’t have to ram this message into us over and over again. Heck, I don’t even see this level of violence or sex in something like Berserk or Devilman which also exhibits the same views on humanity, and it just goes from being disturbing to being something that just feels too tryhard and edgy. And good lord, the sex. Some of it isn’t even crucial to the plot and just distracts from it. There was one where two characters were performing oral sex on each other and the panels were interwoven with other panels showing someone getting graphically murdered. I couldn’t take it seriously. I don’t know if Endo has some issues he needs to sort out, but the graphic nature of some of the imagery in this just felt like somebody was trying so hard to ensure his manga gets regarded as controversial.



Another problem I faced was that Endo seems so adamant about telling everybody constantly that he has some sort of Ph.D. in quantum physics or whatnot. I’m fine with scientific explanations, but I feel that at times it just goes overboard and I’m just thinking to myself “just get it over with, jeez.” The last couple of chapters were almost painful to read because of this. Not a major flaw at all, but its definitely a personal complaint I have.



Also, the series goes down a downhill slope after the culmination of the Mana Rescue Arc. I thought that was a solid finishing point in the story, but then it just keeps going. By the fifth chapter onwards, I just stopped caring about the scientific mumbo-jumbo and the constant deaths that I instead skimmed over a lot of it. I was also disappointed by the lack of cherubim in this; I thought since he played such a major role in the opening chapters that he’d be one of the main leads.



But, despite my gripes, I do highly recommend this. It’s probably the most intense page-turner of a manga I’ve read and it’s all helped by Endo’s ability to control the flow of tension within a narrative. At times, I couldn’t even put it down because of how suspenseful it was. It also helps that the characters in this are all very believable and likable in their own ways, with their own issues that needed sorting out and various flashbacks to flesh out their character. But, the best part is the chemistry and the relationships; they’re all so realistic and well explored, and it’s honestly a rarity to see something like this in the manga medium. Also, the themes are amazing in this. The idea of religion being explored from an agnostic lens and its insight into how humanity relies on it as a beacon of hope in such a cruel world was interesting to look into. As a fan of both Ghost in the Shell and Evangelion, this was a very nice read. I’d put it in the same boat as the first season of Psycho-Pass in terms of science fiction stories I like, but do fall short of their true potential.



Final score: 8/10.
 
  • #24
*sobs* ╥﹏╥  This is masterpiece.

That final scene of Ennoa n Hanna dancing... then the next page..

Literally crunched my heart. wringed dry

10/10 scifi manga
 
  • #25
I agree with the above comment. I felt like the main problems were that it got nowhere at one point. I think the entire story could have been done less than 60 chapters instead of 126. There's way too many subplots that never really mattered in the end. While it's a good addition, the main story itself is already too complicated and hard to focus on if they add more stuff. And as much as I liked the art, the character designs looked too similar to one another that I mistook on person for another. There was a point where it was full of random sexual comedy (MC's nude under his apron) which was really unecessary as this was supposed to be a serious story.



Highlights of the story. I liked how they set up major character deaths (like Helena's, Mana's) and also I really liked how the author gave a backstory for most of the main cast. It was really well done. Not the mention the epic main story.



cupc said:
Eden towards the end reminded me very much of the End of Evangelion because of its themes, which wasn't really a surprise considering Endo is apparently a fan of NGE.

Ah! That's why.
 
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