Vampire Knight Chapter 88 Discussion
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- #59
The cover page blew me up. :3 And they really did kiss at the last chapter?
I liked Yuuki in this chapter but erasing Zero's memories of her. Aww. Sorta know why she done that especially she doesn't want to involve Zero anymore. She likes/loves Zero but I think she's still more concerned about Kaname. So, who will become human? Yuuki wants Kaname to turn into human so as Kaname.
Final arc is coming. Can't wait. FINALLY.
- #61
What I never understood (and Im open to explanations!) is why in one chapter long time ago Kaname was talking to "dead" Rido and saying "While Im alive you can never die". or something like that. I still cant get why Rido´s "ghost" haunts Kaname.
One possibility is the answer that Narutowolf77 gave, I think that's definitely part of it, but I also always interpreted Rido as being the one Kaname saw as a representation of his darker side. For example, earlier in this arc Yuuki saw herself as a child and was talking to the "chibi vampire Yuuki" about how she was denying her basic instincts as a vampire. That "vampire Yuuki" appeared in her mind because she was rejecting a part of herself.
There was also Zero seeing "Ichiru," at the cemetary in Chapter 59. He said that he thought he was forgetting what it meant to be human, and "Ichiru" asked him what being human even was when there were humans who also desired the blood of a pureblood just like vampires. I guess at that point we could say that Zero was shutting out or losing grip on his humanity, he felt like he was becoming too much like a vampire.
So with Kaname seeing "Rido" I always interpreted that as being because he was still hesitating on going through with his plan, and Rido represented that older or darker part of Kaname's persona. That's why Rido taunted him about "playing the role of the sweet oniisama," and asking if he'd forgotten his true self, etc. I think the reason Kaname was seeing Rido before was because Kaname himself felt that they were actually very similar - that's why he called Rido a good mirror and said he was someone who embodied his faults well. We have to remember that Rido likely wasn't always insane - otherwise, Haruka and Juuri probably would have never trusted him around their family at all prior to the incident with their firstborn. But he was in love with Juuri and had to watch her be with someone else. Since Yuuki confessed to part of her heart still being attached to Zero, Kaname could probably relate in that regard too.
Narutowolf77 said:
Thank you for clearing up the whole 'brother' thing for me. I wanted to know how accurate the translation was manily because I came across some Zeki fans saying that it meant Yuuki prefers Kaname as her brother, which I still don't really buy because:
You're welcome! ^^
I can't speak for the Zeki fans whose posts you read in particular, but generally speaking I think they probably interpreted Yuuki's line to mean she prefers Kaname as her brother not solely based off that line in her fantasy, but her overall attitude since awakening, and in that regard I actually agree (but I can understand of course if you don't. ^^) I'll explain my perspective but it's okay if you still disagree. :D
In this arc, Yuuki hasn't said she loved Kaname at all, or even liked him, not even when directly asked. She referred to him as Kaname-oniisama even though they were engaged, and while we can say that's because she felt he was her brother, it would make more sense for her to still be used to calling him Kaname-sama because that's what she had referred to him as for ten years of her life when she was human. Since they were engaged, she should have been calling him just "Kaname" after living together for a year, but I would have personally understood simply "Kaname-sama" since it would be hard to change old habits. Referring to him as oniisama though made it seem like that was how she saw him, as her brother. From Yuuki's end there was just a lot of awkwardness in their relationship, she was very passive. Not only that, but she hasn't reflected on her relationship with Kaname much at all. There's no flashbacks to memories that are important to her, like we've seen Zero have with Yuuki and Yuuki have with Zero. There's still no acknowledgement of her feelings for Kaname now, even in her mind. We were never shown the affect Kaname's blood had on Yuuki like we did with Zero. And, to top it all off, she wasn't being sated by Kaname but after drinking from Zero she suddenly understands what being sated is like.
So for me, all of that plus Yuuki's ideal world having Kaname as her brother is what makes me feel that's how she sees him. She's supposed to be his fiancee but she feels no guilt whatsoever for her romantic advances toward another guy o_O I mean, biting Zero, offering her blood to him on the train in 87 just like how Ruka offered her blood to Kaname before, licking her blood off Zero's face, leaning up to kiss him and then showing no remorse for it whatsoever when she is LITERALLY caught in the act? Personally I think it would be better for her character if that was because her feelings for Kaname weren't romantic, otherwise she looks really bad. She's fantasizing about a world where she could have been with Zero, but even on her own we've never seen her fantasize about a world where Kaname wouldn't have found it necessary to do what he's doing and they could have just lived together. I'm willing to take this back if it happens in future chapters or something else happens in the manga to counter my opinion, but for now...
I do think that Kaname probably believed this himself and that's why he finally quit hesitating and left when he did. He gave her a chance to say that she loved him or that his past didn't matter, but the only answer she could give him was to start over instead, rendering any progress we were supposed to believe they'd gone through moot. I personally don't feel Yuuki treated him very well when they were living together, even though she wasn't trying to be hurtful. Even if he was saying it jokingly, I think Kaname nailed it on the head when he agreed with Yuuki that she was a horrible fiancee lol.
- #62
its clear to me that kaname is not really in love with yuuki, seems like he was in love with the vampire from his memories. so as a kaname fan i dont really care if he gets with yuuki or not. but one thing does seem to be clear to me, the way he treats yuuki is the way that she treats zero. and for all the zeki fans out there, i dont really like that if im a zero fan. i mean its like she runs the relationship. im a kaname fan but i like zero. i hope he ends up with someone else, i wouldnt want to be zero. the girl i love is constantly asking herself whether or not she like me...she always knew she was in love with kaname. the way she looks or used to look at kaname is the way that zero deserves to have someone look at him, not take away his memories because she is afraid of hurting him wtf its like pity or something.
i dont want kaname to die because he in my opinion is the only interesting character in the manga and id rather see him end up with yuuki, and zero end up with some hot vampire chick who is a better a woman than yuuki. hate to reference twilight but, kaname is obviously her edward and zero is obviously her jacob, and to all the zero fans out there...who wants to be somebodies jacob. zero can do better and deserves better.
and by the way, why do people hate kaname so much. with the exception of uchiha itachi, hes the dopest character ive ever seen. hes cool, calm and collected, and unselfish even though his methods may be dark in nature, but...he is a vampire, i mean what are we expecting. this is a manga about vampires not angels
OMG you've read my thoughts!!!!!!
yes it is what I wanted to say even ,the twilight example!!!!
and kaname is the only reason I'm reading this Manga ,if he dies I will be so sad!!!
I mean from the very beginning Kaname is throwing his life for the sake of Yuki...and she is not aware of it which makes me hate her a bitt..do you remember when Kaname asked Yuki and she said she wants a new beginning ...he is doing this for her ..I mean the real one who is in misery is Kaname ...I totally agree he is really the king he is the Vampire knight
- #63
alysonskye said:
Yuuki would choose Zero in a heartbeat if the choice was up to her. She has an unbelievable fondness for Zero and desire to selflessly help him in any way she can. To me, that's the beginning stages of true love (at least in my experience. Part of my fondness for Zero and Yuuki as a couple comes from the parallels between their relationship and the relationship with somebody I love very deeply in my own life, one that started with us just as playful friends and my desire to become closer to him was initially met with me being pushed away until he went through a hard time in his life and was grateful to me because I helped him in any way I could during that time. Even though he took his anger out with harsh words at me, even though I said callous and thoughtless things, we forgave each other for everything. We're a very happy couple who have been together for about a year and a half and we talk a lot about our happy future together. So to me, Zero and Yuuki with their deep fondness of each other in spite of everything is what a real, true love is like.
Kaname is more like a father figure to Yuuki, one where she was obeying him and trying to make him proud and he was protecting her and forbidding her from certain things. Think about it, a lot of what he does for Yuuki is like, "You may be angry at me, you may disagree with me, but it's necessary and I'm the adult so I get to make the decisions. Everything I do is because I love you. You'll understand when you're older." So please don't try to tell me that they make a good couple because a romantic love is between two equal partners in a relationship, and you can't seriously say that Kaname treats Yuuki like anything but his child. And Yuuki doesn't even seem to like him anymore even though she looked up to him and admired him her entire life, but she understands that she's stuck with him. That's why she still calls him Onii-sama, because that's the way she thinks of him. Sacrificing his life for her is just like Kaname and of the same feeling as everything else he's done, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the series ends (and I'd be very satisfied with that ending!).
Kaname's not going to end up with Yuuki in the end, he's too self-sacrificing for Yuuki to survive until the end. I have no idea what direction Zero is going in. I can figure it out for Kaname based on his personality because he's in control of everything, while not Zero because he is in control of nothing. Interesting to see where it goes!
I WAS going to wait until I finish my KanaYuu essay before replying to anyone else's post but you're just making far to many assumptions for me to ignore. It's okay to have your own beliefs and interpretations but it's downright rude to KanaYuu fans, or fans of any pairing when there is a LT, when you state your beliefs and interpretations as FACTS when they are still OPEN to interpretation. It wasn't you're whole post that ticked me off it was these two quotes that did:
alysonskye said:
So please don't try to tell me that they make a good couple because a romantic love is between two equal partners in a relationship, and you can't seriously say that Kaname treats Yuuki like anything but his child.
Practically telling KanaYuu fans that they aren't allowed to have an opinion and:
alysonskye said:
Kaname's not going to end up with Yuuki in the end
Making an assumption as though it's fact almost as if to say KanaYuu fans are stupid for even believing it. Honestly how would you like it if I said:
"Zero's not going to end up with Yuuki in the end. Don't even try to tell me that they make a good couple because romantic love does not include pointing a gun at the other person or saying you will kill them, it's accepting a person no matter who or what they are, the good and the bad."
(Although that last bit about romantic love being about "accepting a person no matter who or what they are, the good and the bad." is indeed true XD)
Anyways please try to be a little more courteous when stating your beliefs and predictions, thanks :)
Sorry! I wasn't trying to offend anyone. The way I was taught in school to assert an opinion is to just state it as if it's fact, because if it's an opinion being stated, "I think" or "I believe" is redundant. Obviously if it's an opinion or assumption I'm stating than it's only my opinion or assumption and not fact.
I admit that I worded that wrong, they can have a relationship that will work, it's just if the partners in a relationship do not treat each other as equals the way as I believe Kaname and Yuuki do not then it will never fit my definition of a "good couple" or "romantic relationship".
For the record, I have seen a few people say that about Zero and Yuuki having too messed up a history to have a working relationship. That's fine, that's a valid opinion, and I was never offended by it. Not calling you stupid because you disagree with me, just asserting my opinion. Relax.
If you disagreed with me, I would have really preferred if you discussed your differing opinion and why you think I'm wrong rather than just call me rude.
- #64
this is the new beginning he promised her....TT
but did anyone realized how sad was kaname's eyes when he looked at yuki befor his departure ...no he loves her ...but she is like so lost twilight pffffft
I hope Matsuri hino won't sacrifice kaname...because he deserve happiness for once!!!
from the beginning of this manga he is suffering ..
guys she left zero, and she want to sacrifice herself ( I mean ,how she will turn him otherwise she won't have to undo zero's memories ) to save Kaname ....he is still her number one...
- #65
Kaname is good as I said he is doing it For yuki pfft.....
this is the new beginning he promised her....TT
but did anyone realized how sad was kaname's eyes when he looked at yuki befor his departure ...no he loves her ...but she is like so lost twilight pffffft
I hope Matsuri hino won't sacrifice kaname...because he deserve happiness for once!!!
from the beginning of this manga he is suffering ..
guys she left zero, and she want to sacrifice herself ( I mean ,how she will turn him otherwise she won't have to undo zero's memories ) to save Kaname ....he is still her number one...
This.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
inn0centdem0n said:
three chapters more? hmnn. I hope Hino-Sensei can pull it off. I mean,up to the last arc, we are still wondering on who she's going to end up with.. will wait patiently and with control (i hope) .... :))
What do you mean three chapters more? I remember it saying it will start it's final arc in March but I don't remember it giving the number of chapters left...