Vampire Knight Chapter 88 Discussion

underthesamesky said:


Yuuki calling Kaname her brother/oniisama

There are three translations out now: one by senbyafanatic on livejournal, which is translated from the Chinese Raws. She translated this line as "My brother." The other two are the scanlation teams, S2Scans and White Lily Scans, and they both translated it as Kaname-onii-sama.



Zero Sacrificing Himself

I won't say it can't happen, but at the end of the day Zero is still an ex-human vampire and we don't know much about his abilities as a complete twin born to the hunters. The reason a pureblood is necessary for creating a new furnace is because as Kaname discovered, the only thing capable of destroying them is themselves, thus a pureblood sacrifice being necessary. As for turning a vampire into a human (I forget now if this one was actually mentioned on here or not, sorry!), I think this is also something beyond an ex-human vampires abilities.





Thank you for clearing up the whole 'brother' thing for me. I wanted to know how accurate the translation was manily because I came across some Zeki fans saying that it meant Yuuki prefers Kaname as her brother, which I still don't really buy because:



A) Since she's speculating on what would have happened if things were different meaning IF Kaname had been her actual brother, not that she CARES for him as a brother, that things might have been different between her and Zero.



B) She only discovered Kaname wasn't her real brother a few chapters before he left meaning she may still not be ENTIRELY used to referring to him as just Kaname and occasionally have a slip of tongue.



C) (Since one person, don't even think it was on this forum, said that she would have called him her boyfriend or something different than her brother if she had romantic feelings for him I'll cover this too.) If Yuuki couldn't have called Kaname her boyfriend, or senpai in her speculation because: one she was speculating about Zero, calling Kaname her boyfriend would be out of place (and may have pissed him off), two Zero had already occupied the senpai role and Yuuki probably wanted to give Kaname a role that tied him to her - this is just my speculation though :P



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As for your comment on Zero sacrificing himself, I say there's still a high possibility that he COULD sacrifice himself to become the new parent because he has drank the blood of three purebloods (Yuuki, Kaname, Sara) and thus has the blood of three purebloods inside him, also don't the hunters already have SOME vampire blood in them because the first hunters drank the blood of the Ancestress and that's what gave them their powers :\\ As for him sacrificing himself to make someone human, I wouldn't rule it out entirely because we don't know a lot about the process itself, whether it can be done by only a pureblood or if any vampire or person can do it all we know is that Juuri used it on Yuuki, Kaname was planning to use it, and Kaname asked Isaya to do it (which he might have just asked because he knows Isaya wants to die).

Vesperlynd said:


@DJIzzyIzzyHitler She has no sex whatsoever. I'm not sure where the 'slut' comes from. Slut shaming is really annoying and offensive, please refrain.you're thinking of whore, shes a slut if she is jumping back and forth between 2 dudes

So, Yuuki is trying to act strong now? Probably she will get into trouble soon.

alysonskye said:


Sorry! I wasn't trying to offend anyone. The way I was taught in school to assert an opinion is to just state it as if it's fact, because if it's an opinion being stated, "I think" or "I believe" is redundant. Obviously if it's an opinion or assumption I'm stating than it's only my opinion or assumption and not fact.



I admit that I worded that wrong, they can have a relationship that will work, it's just if the partners in a relationship do not treat each other as equals the way as I believe Kaname and Yuuki do not then it will never fit my definition of a "good couple" or "romantic relationship".



For the record, I have seen a few people say that about Zero and Yuuki having too messed up a history to have a working relationship. That's fine, that's a valid opinion, and I was never offended by it. Not calling you stupid because you disagree with me, just asserting my opinion. Relax.



If you disagreed with me, I would have really preferred if you discussed your differing opinion and why you think I'm wrong rather than just call me rude.



That's cool, it's just for me there's a difference between assertion and stating facts and your post just came off as the latter when I read it even if that wasn't what you intended.



btw I would have discussed my differing opinion but I have two reasons why I decided not to:



1) I feel this thread is getting cluttered with LT debate and we're on a totally different topic then the actual chapter that's supposed to being discussed as the title of the thread denotes (which is why I created an actual pairing discussion thread :P)



2) I'm working on a KanaYuu essay and really don't want to post any of my opinions right now until it's done since most of what I would post is in the essay so it would just make more sense to finish it and post a link rather than making a large wall of text XD

am I the only one who is disliking Yukki?

I'm not a Kaname fan but turning him into a human? Who said he wants to be a human?

Why decide by yourself Yukki? I don't get it Yukki ...

if Kaname became a human he will die easily just sayin ...

a car might hit him, he might get bit by a vampire and fall to E level or something ...

he might get a virus  and .... u never know just sayin



anyway, I don't like how Yukki is treating everyone ...

and about erasing Zero's memories .. WattaFrenchFries?

Scrap!! I don't mind if Zero forgets Yukki, but if she's the one to do it I'll hate her mooooooore ... =

See the thing that I don't understand is if Hino decides hey im not gonna change anyone or kill any of the main characters off, where does that leave them? Say kaname completes his goal, and someone takes his place as becoming the parent, and he kills the evil purebloods, and yuuki forgives him, and zeros memories aren't erased, then that just leaves them with this love triangle they were left with before. If yuuki choses kaname what happens to zero? Who does he get? And vise versa, if she were to chose zero where does that leave kaname? Im sure hino wouldn't just leave it empty like that. "oh yuuki chose kaname so zeros just forever alone" or "yuuki chose zero now kaname is going into an eternal sleep" if hino doesnt decide to kill anyone off and lead the story into that direction, theres obviously a plan to where he/she ( i dont know if hinos a boy or girl.. sorry!) wants the characters to end up with the what they deserve. Another thing i noticed was that in these form chats people seem to spending more time fighting over whos better for yuuki rather then what they THINK is going to happen. I see more "zeros better!" or "kanames better!" rather then " i think shes going to end up with so and so because..." im not trashing anyones opinion it's just thats what seems to cause most of the fighting... Anyways. i guess i would like to know what people would think would happend if they do resolve everything and there still left with this loe triangle? If she chooses one what do you think would happen to the other.



On another note, i really feel like with all these twist and turns im starting to get whiplash. It's getting really hard to keep up sometimes without summarys and forum post, because it seems like everytime the story starts the make sence whoop! nope im gonna throw this in so no one knows whats gonna happen next, and they can wait a month or two to find out T___T it's killing me beccause all these theories run threw my head and when i try to read post to see if mine make sense with others all i see is zekis better the kanyuuki. And i dont hate zero fans or zero, i like zero, but i favor kaname more, because he seems like hes always meant to be with yuuki from the day she was born and things have kept the apart since like star crossed lovers, and it was said that it could of been kanames idea to put zero and yuuki in the same house, so it just makes sense to me that its more likely for her to end up with kaname then zero, but with all these twists and turns its getting harder and harder for me to see that happening. just because at this point i start to question if anyone is going to end up with anyone. because with all the plot twist and motives the characters start to doubt and question and it just makes it so hard to really to believe who shes going to end up with. one secound it almost seems obvious whos shes going to pick depending on the chapter, and then the next hits and theres a million questions on to whats heppening. And it's just worrying me in the back of my mind >_< because i know hino loves her charcters and all but there are authors who end up making the not so happy endings where no one wins and im just worried of the outcome no matter how much i reasure myself from previous chapters how i thought back then it would never cross my mind she would end up with zero or even have anyone human, die, memories erased, ect.



please no offensive post on reply to my opinoin!

underthesamesky said:
Narutowolf77 said:
Yuuki has said she likes Kaname since coming to live with him, in chapter 66 she says she does like him but her feelings are mixed which is why she asked if they could start over so she could examine her feelings.

I'll let you finish your post since you said you'd type up more later, I just wanted to point out that the one line you're citing from Yuuki is actually a mistranslation and was translated differently in the official volumes by Viz Media. Yuuki isn't referring to her feelings but Kaname's feelings: she says that she's not even sure he likes her, and then she corrects herself and says that he does like her but there are other feelings mixing together. Then she says she wants to start over and examine him more closely. ^^ So, she still hasn't mentioned her feelings for Kaname in this arc.



DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
Can we all just come to an agreemant that yuuki is a slut and just move on instead of having internet arguments and wall of texts

lol no one's arguing, the LT is one of the main components of the plot and we're discussing it civilly while also respecting each other's opinion. If you think our tone is argumentative, you should venture out to the Vampire Knight section at tumblr or MangaFox and take a look. :P People get nasty there o_O Like, you have no idea lol. I'm actually surprised by how tame it is here.



Also, my posts are usually always walls of text even when they're not about anything controversial xD I just type a lot. I can't speak for anyone else who might have had a long post recently though.people get just as bad here, just go to the last chapter discussion for a prime example

Narutowolf77 said:
Yuuki has said she likes Kaname since coming to live with him, in chapter 66 she says she does like him but her feelings are mixed which is why she asked if they could start over so she could examine her feelings.

I'll let you finish your post since you said you'd type up more later, I just wanted to point out that the one line you're citing from Yuuki is actually a mistranslation and was translated differently in the official volumes by Viz Media. Yuuki isn't referring to her feelings but Kaname's feelings: she says that she's not even sure he likes her, and then she corrects herself and says that he does like her but there are other feelings mixing together. Then she says she wants to start over and examine him more closely. ^^ So, she still hasn't mentioned her feelings for Kaname in this arc.



DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
Can we all just come to an agreemant that yuuki is a slut and just move on instead of having internet arguments and wall of texts

lol no one's arguing, the LT is one of the main components of the plot and we're discussing it civilly while also respecting each other's opinion. If you think our tone is argumentative, you should venture out to the Vampire Knight section at tumblr or MangaFox and take a look. :P People get nasty there o_O Like, you have no idea lol. I'm actually surprised by how tame it is here.



Also, my posts are usually always walls of text even when they're not about anything controversial xD I just type a lot. I can't speak for anyone else who might have had a long post recently though.