Vampire Knight Chapter 88 Discussion
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- #2
Kaname is more like a father figure to Yuuki, one where she was obeying him and trying to make him proud and he was protecting her and forbidding her from certain things. Think about it, a lot of what he does for Yuuki is like, "You may be angry at me, you may disagree with me, but it's necessary and I'm the adult so I get to make the decisions. Everything I do is because I love you. You'll understand when you're older." So please don't try to tell me that they make a good couple because a romantic love is between two equal partners in a relationship, and you can't seriously say that Kaname treats Yuuki like anything but his child. And Yuuki doesn't even seem to like him anymore even though she looked up to him and admired him her entire life, but she understands that she's stuck with him. That's why she still calls him Onii-sama, because that's the way she thinks of him. Sacrificing his life for her is just like Kaname and of the same feeling as everything else he's done, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the series ends (and I'd be very satisfied with that ending!).
Kaname's not going to end up with Yuuki in the end, he's too self-sacrificing for Yuuki to survive until the end. I have no idea what direction Zero is going in. I can figure it out for Kaname based on his personality because he's in control of everything, while not Zero because he is in control of nothing. Interesting to see where it goes!
- #3
Gosh i really hate Yuuki now (is not like i dont hate her in the past). She's like the only character in this manga that haven't mature( Ok some of u might be.. hey she did mature , she have thoughts of saving the world by stopping Kaname ..blah blah blah) But seriously, all she did so far was so brainless, she's so weak and yet she act strong? Cant she just see where she actually stands or how weak she actually is!? I am glad that Zero is not reckless as before and actually grown up . While Kaname decided to do something good.
Seriously i will pray to whatever supernatural stuff out there that Yuuki will at least GROW UP WITH SOME BRAINS AND SENSES.
Fully agree with you! It's not even that she didn't get any more mature than at the beginning but she lost everything that marked her personality too. She's not cute, bubbly, happy, kind and lovely any more. Just seems like a selfish, pitiful emo-girl (no offence!) with no self-esteem, completely lacking the ability to make decisions.
Just kinda realized what a suitable song AFI - Silver & Cold for the entire love triangle (especially from Kaname's side imo) is tho :'3
- #4
See the thing that I don't understand is if Hino decides hey im not gonna change anyone or kill any of the main characters off, where does that leave them? Say kaname completes his goal, and someone takes his place as becoming the parent, and he kills the evil purebloods, and yuuki forgives him, and zeros memories aren't erased, then that just leaves them with this love triangle they were left with before. If yuuki choses kaname what happens to zero? Who does he get? And vise versa, if she were to chose zero where does that leave kaname? Im sure hino wouldn't just leave it empty like that. "oh yuuki chose kaname so zeros just forever alone" or "yuuki chose zero now kaname is going into an eternal sleep" if hino doesnt decide to kill anyone off and lead the story into that direction, theres obviously a plan to where he/she ( i dont know if hinos a boy or girl.. sorry!) wants the characters to end up with the what they deserve. Another thing i noticed was that in these form chats people seem to spending more time fighting over whos better for yuuki rather then what they THINK is going to happen. I see more "zeros better!" or "kanames better!" rather then " i think shes going to end up with so and so because..." im not trashing anyones opinion it's just thats what seems to cause most of the fighting... Anyways. i guess i would like to know what people would think would happend if they do resolve everything and there still left with this loe triangle? If she chooses one what do you think would happen to the other.
On another note, i really feel like with all these twist and turns im starting to get whiplash. It's getting really hard to keep up sometimes without summarys and forum post, because it seems like everytime the story starts the make sence whoop! nope im gonna throw this in so no one knows whats gonna happen next, and they can wait a month or two to find out T___T it's killing me beccause all these theories run threw my head and when i try to read post to see if mine make sense with others all i see is zekis better the kanyuuki. And i dont hate zero fans or zero, i like zero, but i favor kaname more, because he seems like hes always meant to be with yuuki from the day she was born and things have kept the apart since like star crossed lovers, and it was said that it could of been kanames idea to put zero and yuuki in the same house, so it just makes sense to me that its more likely for her to end up with kaname then zero, but with all these twists and turns its getting harder and harder for me to see that happening. just because at this point i start to question if anyone is going to end up with anyone. because with all the plot twist and motives the characters start to doubt and question and it just makes it so hard to really to believe who shes going to end up with. one secound it almost seems obvious whos shes going to pick depending on the chapter, and then the next hits and theres a million questions on to whats heppening. And it's just worrying me in the back of my mind >_< because i know hino loves her charcters and all but there are authors who end up making the not so happy endings where no one wins and im just worried of the outcome no matter how much i reasure myself from previous chapters how i thought back then it would never cross my mind she would end up with zero or even have anyone human, die, memories erased, ect.
please no offensive post on reply to my opinoin!
I love your opinion! and agree with you all..
What I want to say is I want all character survive...I know it is impossible..
I cann't stand seeing Kaname die and falling apart into pieces..
I cann't stand seeing Yuuki saying RIP to Kaname...
I don't want Yuuki to kill Kaname..(Kaname always say he prefer to die within her hands)
I don't want Yuuki to be human..She is royal blood...
T_______________T
- #5
amaterasu888 said:
its clear to me that kaname is not really in love with yuuki, seems like he was in love with the vampire from his memories. so as a kaname fan i dont really care if he gets with yuuki or not. but one thing does seem to be clear to me, the way he treats yuuki is the way that she treats zero. and for all the zeki fans out there, i dont really like that if im a zero fan. i mean its like she runs the relationship. im a kaname fan but i like zero. i hope he ends up with someone else, i wouldnt want to be zero. the girl i love is constantly asking herself whether or not she like me...she always knew she was in love with kaname. the way she looks or used to look at kaname is the way that zero deserves to have someone look at him, not take away his memories because she is afraid of hurting him wtf its like pity or something.
i dont want kaname to die because he in my opinion is the only interesting character in the manga and id rather see him end up with yuuki, and zero end up with some hot vampire chick who is a better a woman than yuuki. hate to reference twilight but, kaname is obviously her edward and zero is obviously her jacob, and to all the zero fans out there...who wants to be somebodies jacob. zero can do better and deserves better.
and by the way, why do people hate kaname so much. with the exception of uchiha itachi, hes the dopest character ive ever seen. hes cool, calm and collected, and unselfish even though his methods may be dark in nature, but...he is a vampire, i mean what are we expecting. this is a manga about vampires not angels
OMG you've read my thoughts!!!!!!
yes it is what I wanted to say even ,the twilight example!!!!
and kaname is the only reason I'm reading this Manga ,if he dies I will be so sad!!!
I mean from the very beginning Kaname is throwing his life for the sake of Yuki...and she is not aware of it which makes me hate her a bitt..do you remember when Kaname asked Yuki and she said she wants a new beginning ...he is doing this for her ..I mean the real one who is in misery is Kaname ...I totally agree he is really the king he is the Vampire knight
My exact thoughts, except the part that I think kaname loves yuuki but still obssessed with his first love
- #6
Loved the little talk between Yuki and Zero at the end<33, but she's going to erase his memories?!?! :O
And how can she make Kaname human? o.O
Final arc finally starts! I knew it was about to end. Can't wait!!
ZEKI FOREVER.
I hope Yuki doesn't erase his memories. :((
- #7
yuuki is obviously not planning on being with zero...
i mean if i wanted to be with someone i wouldn't erase their memories.
IMO she either wants to die or be with kaname, thats not the way you treat someone you want to be with (in reference to zero). and if she does want to be with him, then...i wouldn't want to be zero because its almost like she sees him as a little brother or something, you know, someone she has to take care of. its like she doesn't respect him as a man.
kaname is the bad ass of this show and is playing his role to perfection. he is the most powerful vampire and he is acting like it. all of the seemingly selfish things he has done so far have been for selfless reasons.
IMO the only people who have a gripe with kaname are zero and people who like him. and aido. time will tell what happened with aido's father. but Kaname is completely wrong for manipulating zero as much as i like kaname zero deserves some justice, this guy has been done completely wrong, by kaname and yuuki. zero deserves to live.
i honestly hope none main three characters die, i think they all deserve happy endings, they've all been through alot.
yuuki for example; your uncle kills your dad and wants to either molest you or kill you...and i dont know which is worse. you have to live practically in an underground bunker your whole life then have your memories manipulated by your mother. then the only person who is close to you hates vampires, which you happen to be...and not only are you a vampire, you're the worst kind of vampire to the person you are close to. the man you admire and are in love with(according to her own words) is a murdering liar, but he was honest about it lol eventually. this guy also doesnt love you enough to make you his first priority and instead chooses to kill himself instead of stay with you. i hope she has a happy ending
zero; this guy...your parents were murdered by a pureblood. your twin brother who you loved was happy about this...
this same brother is weak because you ate a portion of him in the womb and his life sucks because of it. now when you get older you have to finish the job and eat the rest of him...(thats great) then the woman you love turns out to be the very thing you hate and you have to watch her go off with another man oh and by the way this man who She Loves is the man who was responsible for your parents murder(indirectly) and lets not forget that the woman who killed your parents turned you into a vampire. and lets cap it off. just when you think the woman you love loves you back. NOPE i kissed you but sorry im erasing your memories so i can go after the guy that you hate who i said i was in love with and used to live with and was engaged too...
yeah...i hope he has a happy ending
Kuran Kaname
-he deserves a happy ending...because hes a bad ass among bad asses and name a character in any anime/manga anywhere that is cooler than this guy. to be as powerful as he is he is extremely considerate and merciful in the way he deals with the majority of people. i mean he pointed his hand to rido(who is a pureblood) and blew him up into a thousand pieces, who is going to challenge this guy. has he abused his power...yeah. but he could've been a lot worse. the love his life sacrificed herself and left him alone and it seemed that it hurt him so much that he wanted to sleep forever. then his own family resurrected him by killing a baby...(yeah) and then killed the family that he was resurrected into. then he realizes that he cant kill this guy even though he can blow him up into a thousand pieces. so yeah he creates someone who can in zero, because he wanted to protect yuuki. his methods for this was wrong but zero was so young i dont think he had any other choice. he put zero and yuuki together on purpose and made zero strong on purpose. and now rido is dead and yeah kaname has to deal with the consequences, but i dont think he deserves to die. i just think zero should beat him to within an inch of his life and yuuki should stop him lol
- #8
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Raws are out.
Wow, for the first time ever I am surprised in VK. Finally a twist. Finally. Not sure if I like it though XP
lovely color page of Zeki *.*
So basically main points:
- After cockblocking Zeki kiss (CONFIRMED THIS CHAPTER, THEY REALLY KISSED), Kaname leaves. Then he is seen talking to Isaya and saying he wants to become the "new metal" (aka replace the hooded woman) and wants to ask Isaya something about Yuuki. (probably to turn her into human).
- Yuuki thinking how would it be if she and Zero had met both as humans. Thinking of him romantically. (according to translations, she refers to Kaname as "my brother". So it seems her heart has decided who she loves the most = Zero. Although she still loves Kaname I think.)
And the twist there it comes:
YUUKI DECIDING TO ERASE ZERO´S MEMORIES OF HER BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO TURN KANAME INTO HUMAN (AKA SHE WILL DIE FOR IT). So she doesnt want Zero to suffer with her death. Bitch, Why the purebloods are always toying with Zero´s life never letting him choose, damnit
Actually, Im very sad with her decision. I know she wants to protect Zero, and I give her credit, but erasing his memories its just too sad. Its heart breaking T__T Why do I feel a CLAMP vibe?
And there you have. Yuuki erasing Zero´s memories even though he begged her not to.
Well if she dies it would be an amazing twist in shoujo. Not happening for sure, the one who´ll die will probably be Kaname.
So yay, my body is ready. Yuuki wishes for a yaoi ending Zero x Kaname. I like it XP
Anyway no VK next month, only in January. Good way, Hino-sensei, letting us in a cliffhanger for two months. *sighs*
Anyway, theories anyone?
Option A: Zero forgets Yuuki. Yuuki Dies. Kaname lives and becomes lover friends with Zero. Zero probably will go for Maria or Yori?
Option B: Zero remembers Yuuki and saves her. Kaname dies. Zeki stays together as the new Kuran generation.
Option C: Kaname dies, Yuuki turns into a human. Zero with his erased memories meets Yuuki as human whom also has erased memories (because turning into a human will erase them) and they meet again and fall in love again.
Sorry guys, Option D (Zero dies and Yume stays together, IS NOT AVAILABLE) XP
Also, Option E is unlikely (Everyone lives and we have a threesome forever or everyone lives and Yuuki chooses one of them is also highly unlikely at this point).
People in tumblr are saying that next chapter we might finally find out who is the "vampire knight". Zero? Yuuki? Kaname? XD Anyway there´s people saying that VK will end at March, three more chapters to the end? hum....
So...opinions?
Hmm, I think this should end at least 5 to 6 chapters, but who knows? I still want to see this conclusion as myself.
...but damn, have to wait till March.
- #10
Looks a moderator came deleted the 88 thread and one other one (perhaps more). Site and Forum Guidelines have been newly updated too. The flaming must have gotten out of hand.
I agree that it's only a matter of time until Zero regains his memories. I guess erasing his memories will allow Yuuki to break free of his tail XD and we'll get some scenes where Yuuki can talk to Kaname alone.
That makes sense, I've noticed many discussions missing on some forums.
I think erasing his memories will not change anything, in the sense he'll still be cold fronted Zero, a vampire hunter.
I'm glad we'll finally see a conversation with yuuki and kaname where I won't feel that Yuuki is truly not the younger sibliing and is treated as such. So excited!
- #11
Why did she had to erase zero's memory?! It's like she was just toying with zero's heart!
And what the hell is with yume ending reinforcement? Okay, I don't care if yuki ends up with kaname or die because of him cause I'm starting to hate this chara. I just hope that hino wouldn't kill zero because the only reason I continue to read this worthless manga is zero. And i hope that zero has his own story. Zero deserves someone better than that bitch yuki.
The previous works of hino sensei is all good, it such a shame that this series is so awful. It doesn't have a clear plot, and she keeps missing to tell the details to readers
- #12
I figured Kaname was doing it for her anyway, but he also said after all that he wants to sacrifice himself so she can turn human again. Unless he knows that she'd really rather be with Zero, that's pretty selfish of him. He never talked to her properly, maybe she would have stayed with him, although we know that she was kinda going crazy (as in really upset) when 'locked up' in the castle. Besides that, Zero is a vampire too, so her being a human again would risk her safety (also due to jealousy or hate of other vampires who could rip her apart if they knew she was human again) and Kaname wouldn't want that. It must tear him apart though to see her running back to Zero, although it is according to his plan. It'd make sense though, because he knows she'll be safe with him (I'm referring to "You could never betray her, because you are under her obligation. You are being let to live because of that, Zero. By me." here). I guess her talking about Zero when Kaname and her were together made him decide to do what he's doing right now. Poor guy :(
He also said he wants to destroy all the Anti-Vampire Weapons, right? I assume due to the fact that 'the parent' could rest then and wouldn't be trapped in the tree. Why does he need to replace it then though (like he said at some point, that he wants to become the new parent)? Obviously because he feels responsible for the hooded woman being trapped there, but wouldn't destroying the weapons alter the use of keeping her soul in the tree? (We know she supports him though as she kills Sara, I think it was?)
And how the hell did Kaname get Shiki and Rima (love them <3) to help him again though? because the group was kinda split.
I have no clue about Rido but maybe he was cursed for killing the Kuran-baby or for awakening Kaname?
- #13
@ "I love you," vs. "Fondness."
This got brought up so I thought I'd comment on it too. The japanese text for this line was "suki," which is typically translated as I like you or I love you depending on the context. Fondness isn't inaccurate but it's a bit awkward sounding in English. Whether you prefer like or love is up to you but the implication is romantic nonetheless, thus Yuuki is basically thinking that her feelings for Zero are romantic. Fans can decide for themselves what the extent of her feelings are. ^^
Yuuki calling Kaname her brother/oniisama
There are three translations out now: one by senbyafanatic on livejournal, which is translated from the Chinese Raws. She translated this line as "My brother." The other two are the scanlation teams, S2Scans and White Lily Scans, and they both translated it as Kaname-onii-sama.
Zero Sacrificing Himself
I won't say it can't happen, but at the end of the day Zero is still an ex-human vampire and we don't know much about his abilities as a complete twin born to the hunters. The reason a pureblood is necessary for creating a new furnace is because as Kaname discovered, the only thing capable of destroying them is themselves, thus a pureblood sacrifice being necessary. As for turning a vampire into a human (I forget now if this one was actually mentioned on here or not, sorry!), I think this is also something beyond an ex-human vampires abilities.
Parent Metal
This was explained already on here, I just wanted to elaborate a bit. The furnace (or "mother metal" as it was called before) is where all anti-vampire weapons originated, thus it's like the "parent" of those weapons, their place of origin.
Isaya Setting up the Masquerade
There's possibly more to it, but I think that Isaya just wanted to stop being a spectator and actually do something for a change, like Kaien did. Possibly this is connected with the "50 years of memories," that he gained from his servant when he drank her blood, after he first woke up from his slumber. It seems like Haruka and Juuri were dear friends of his, though, and I believe it's because their children are involved in the current conflict and technically on opposite sides that he wanted to do something to perhaps honour that friendship. Maybe he was just hoping Kaname would give some kind of meaning to Isaya's existence, or end it.
As for the Masquerade Ball itself, it was somewhat random, but apart from the purposes it served in the plot I think Hino just threw it in to parallel the arc one dance (which even got an honourable mention in this chapter). She seems fond of the parallels between the two arcs, or characters.
Yuuki Erasing Zero's Memories
First of all, I'm fairly certain that Yuuki was successfully able to erase Zero's memories, since we had Zero's thought (while Yuuki was drinking his blood) that "something within him" was disappearing. And on that page, we see his memories of Yuuki. After she subdues him with her bracelet, we see Zero's thoughts again and he thinks that his memories of her are.... ['disappearing' I assume but it's not actually specified]
We have to also remember that this isn't just about Yuuki trying to ease his suffering; Zero hasn't been letting her out of his sight, and it's probably because he noticed something was up (chapter 86 he comments on how he doesn't know what's gotten into her). She tried to leave the Academy without telling him, but he seemed to know anyway and was waiting for her. She tried to convince him to stay because of his duties (and Zero is a dutiful person) and he chose to leave with her anyway. She gave him that speech about how she couldn't live with him and belonged to someone else, and he chose to walk into her house and force her to confront her own feelings. Yuuki knows that Zero wouldn't approve of this plan, which is why she never told him about it until she was erasing his memories of her existence. She also knows that he'd try to save her and he'd never forgive himself if he failed. So, from this perspective, Yuuki's actions make sense.
Zero will definitely remember Yuuki. Not only do we have an example of this in the first arc, when Yuuki remembered about Zero confronting Maria/Shizuka, but we have an example in this arc as well when the class president Kageyama remembered who Ruka was despite his memories being erased - and Ruka was someone he had a crush on throughout the first arc. Since in this case, Ruka's entire existence seemed to be erased from his mind, it's the best example we have of this happening in the manga and it's probably why Hino randomly included that scene at all.
Shiki & Rima on Kaname's Side
I don't think they're on Kaname's side so much as Takuma's. They were following him to the Association before when he went with Sara, and he's now back by Kaname's side. I think this time, they want to stick close to him. He seems to be a very dear friend to both Shiki and Rima, so they may want to protect him from doing anything foolish or even from getting too involved in Kaname's plans. I kind of see it being like Ruka and Kain - Ruka didn't agree with what Kaname was doing, but she cared for him and wanted to look out for him. Kain especially didn't agree with Kaname, but he wanted to look out for Ruka and protect her.