Vampire Knight Chapter 88 Discussion

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
people get just as bad here, just go to the last chapter discussion for a prime example

Really? I never noticed it before, guess I must have quit reading the discussion by that point. :(



Narutowolf77 said:
Thanks for correcting me on that also rather than finishing my post on here I think I'm going to finish my KanaYuu essay and post a link to it when I get it up or I would REALLY have a wall of text going XD



And actually the VK section on Mangafox is pretty tame, but I think it used to be bad because there is a topic that says threads and posts needing moderation.



Ah btw I noticed that there isn't an actual topic on MAL for discussion/debate on the VK LT (well there are two that sort of reply but the last posts in both are over two months old so we obviously can't use them) but do you think someone should make one because I'd like to be able to discuss and debate my OTP without straying too far off topic or making a Mangafox account that I'd probably never use again after VK ends XD

xD Alright, sounds good. And yeah, the VK section on MangaFox is a lot better now than it was a little while ago. I think it's because we have a good mod there now, he doesn't favour one side or the other, he's pretty fair and a lot of the troublemakers stopped posting there because of it.



We should make one, I think. ^^ If the other LT threads can't be revived.



amaterasu888 said:
IMO she either wants to die or be with kaname, thats not the way you treat someone you want to be with (in reference to zero). and if she does want to be with him, then...i wouldn't want to be zero because its almost like she sees him as a little brother or something, you know, someone she has to take care of.

I don't think that's why she erased Zero's memories. He commented to her on how, as long as Kaname was hell-bent on escaping, it would be nearly impossible to stop him. And Yuuki agreed with him and appeared thoughtful after that. I think she realized that so far nothing else they've done has worked, and she doesn't want anymore people to get hurt either directly (purebloods Kaname is after) or indirectly (Ruka jumping in the way of his fight with Zero). She seems to believe that turning Kaname into a human is the only way, but let's face it, there's no way in hell Zero would let her basically kill herself to stop Kaname. And she realizes that.



Yuuki seemed to be on a suicide mission in 86 when she left Cross Academy (that's what it felt like to me, anyway) but she didn't bother to erase Zero's memories back then. I think the only reason she's doing it now is to stop him from following her or trying to stop her. Because if he failed to stop her and she did succeed, he'd never forgive himself. More than the grief of losing her, I think Yuuki wanted to keep him from experiencing that.



But she's obviously not thinking very clearly because how the hell is she supposed to turn Kaname human anyway o_O Juuri's spell broke on her, does Yuuki really think it wouldn't break for Kaname too with him being her ancestor and having all that power from the purebloods he's devoured?

One of better chapters (= I actually had an idea what was going on there). Although, I feel like the plot is stepping aside for the romance (why the hell am I even reading that?). Of course, after the "love confession" we get a cliche "twist" of one of the "lovers" losing their memory. Possible solutions: 1. Yuuki stops/it won't work because she loves him. 2. Zero forgets but accidentally meets Yuuki what will lead to a "surprising" and "shocking" recovery of his memories while/after/before saving her life. 3. Something equally overused and "romantic" (read: pointless waste of pages for something that can be done in one page) 4. Whole chapter long detailed threesome sex. (With the current flow of the story, nothing can shock me.)



Chapter commentary: What was the ball build up even for? Oh, right, the cliche Zeki dance and kiss. Not like it was hyped up like something very plot moving and we ended up with something that could have happened completely randomly. I'm not just talking about the overused kiss, dance scene or "I thought you couldn't dance" scene. The ball was completely unnecessary for Kaname to meet Isaya or... well... for EVERYTHING that happened here. Sometimes, I feel like Hino throws in random stuff to make it look cool.



Was I the only one who didn't understand that monologue Isaya had? I mean, first he claimed that he invited Kaname and then he started wondering what he wanted? Also, what's with the sudden "vampires can turn into humans" thingy? I could have sworn that the pre-time skip part made a HUGE deal from Zero turning into a vampire since there was no cure for it. And now we get a completely logical and explained way how to "cure" vampires that was foreshadowed multiple times and it takes a long training. Oh, wait... Seriously, vampires are magicians or what? They learn all of their powers instantly and can erase memories, grow butterfly wings etc. I know Yuuki's mom did that before but we have no idea how it works or who it works on or why wouldn't Yuuki use it on Zero instead (it would be more helpful than erasing memories). Not to mention how random that decision felt.



All in all, Hino should already decide whether she wants to make a story that makes sense, a cliche romance or what, because it's all mixed up and I keep losing track of all of those plotholes. I REALLY hope it will end in next 3 chapters. Getting this far I want to finish it but the longer it lasts, the deeper it goes into cliche, non sense and a big mess. And it had so much promise at the beginning.

So Kaname wants her made human and she wants Kaname made human both of which would result in the other dying.

lol She is an idiot.

Zero has matured a lot.

She did not get to erase his memories.

That elder vampire said he would sacrifice himself to turn her human but if she wants to turn Kaname human as well which incidentally she said was to stop him from killing everyone or being so powerful they can't stop him not really to just be nice. So convoluted and we hve to wait - what a cliffhanger.

If Kaname becomes the parent, that means that she would not wind up with him, he would be like the woman he loved who gave herself over to making the weapons etc,  so he would basically not exist as a body anymore he would be given over to the others like in the furnace.  

If Yuuki took Zero's memories, I don't think such a thing would last and his memories would return if he was unbound such as him seeing her or the necklace breaking or something like that.  

If she made Kaname human she would die like her mother did to make her human but his power take over and killing would be stopped.  

If Kaname made her human he would die, or if the elder did it in his place the elder would die.  



Seems like zero will be the only survivor if any of the outcomes happen.  





But it was a really good albeit frustrating chapter.



I also really loved the cover and the color page of her and Zero.   I am also more of a Zero fan than a Zeki fan but I would not mind them ending up together, it's just that I am not a  particular a fan of yuuki herself....

Thank god its almost over. I dont think i can deal with much more of this crap, hope for the good end.....aka everyone dies, thats my happy ending for this.

underthesamesky said:


In this arc, Yuuki hasn't said she loved Kaname at all, or even liked him, not even when directly asked. She referred to him as Kaname-oniisama even though they were engaged, and while we can say that's because she felt he was her brother, it would make more sense for her to still be used to calling him Kaname-sama because that's what she had referred to him as for ten years of her life when she was human. Since they were engaged, she should have been calling him just "Kaname" after living together for a year, but I would have personally understood simply "Kaname-sama" since it would be hard to change old habits. Referring to him as oniisama though made it seem like that was how she saw him, as her brother. From Yuuki's end there was just a lot of awkwardness in their relationship, she was very passive. Not only that, but she hasn't reflected on her relationship with Kaname much at all. There's no flashbacks to memories that are important to her, like we've seen Zero have with Yuuki and Yuuki have with Zero. There's still no acknowledgement of her feelings for Kaname now, even in her mind. We were never shown the affect Kaname's blood had on Yuuki like we did with Zero. And, to top it all off, she wasn't being sated by Kaname but after drinking from Zero she suddenly understands what being sated is like.



So for me, all of that plus Yuuki's ideal world having Kaname as her brother is what makes me feel that's how she sees him. She's supposed to be his fiancee but she feels no guilt whatsoever for her romantic advances toward another guy o_O I mean, biting Zero, offering her blood to him on the train in 87 just like how Ruka offered her blood to Kaname before, licking her blood off Zero's face, leaning up to kiss him and then showing no remorse for it whatsoever when she is LITERALLY caught in the act? Personally I think it would be better for her character if that was because her feelings for Kaname weren't romantic, otherwise she looks really bad. She's fantasizing about a world where she could have been with Zero, but even on her own we've never seen her fantasize about a world where Kaname wouldn't have found it necessary to do what he's doing and they could have just lived together. I'm willing to take this back if it happens in future chapters or something else happens in the manga to counter my opinion, but for now...





Well you are entitled to your opinion there are a few things I want to point out to show why I don't think she sees him as her brother. Yuuki has said she likes Kaname since coming to live with him, in chapter 66 she says she does like him but her feelings are mixed which is why she asked if they could start over so she could examine her feelings. Also it's not that Kaname's blood didn't sate Yuuki it's that half her heart still belonged to Zero so she couldn't be FULLY sated until she drank his blood, it's shown, also in chapter 66 that Yuuki's desire for Kaname's blood is "so pure it can't be hidden". It's also hinted that she may have felt jealousy in this same chapter. I honestly never saw Yuuki as passive during this time, first there's in chapter 65 where she gets angry at Kaname for not being there when she woke up pages 24-31 and there's the fact that she often tells Kaname that she wants to know more about him, and how she blushes whenever he kisses her (chapter 57



I have more to say but I have to go now so I'll type more later :P

Gosh i really hate Yuuki now (is not like i dont hate her in the past). She's like the only character in this manga that haven't mature( Ok some of u might be.. hey she did mature , she have thoughts of saving the world by stopping Kaname ..blah blah blah) But seriously, all she did   so far was so brainless, she's so weak and yet she act strong? Cant she just see where she actually stands or how weak she actually is!? I am glad that Zero is not reckless as before and actually grown up . While Kaname decided to do something good.



Seriously i will pray to whatever supernatural stuff out there that Yuuki will at least GROW UP WITH SOME BRAINS AND SENSES.

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                        Am I only the one that has read this chapter, how is there not a discussion on Chapter 88? Or has Mangahere mislabeled the chapter numbers..





This chapter absolutely killed me, Kaname wanting to be the new parent, yuuki out to save Kaname.

I think thats very noble of her, and I'm glad she is going to such lengths to let Kaname finally be rid of the burdens that were placed on him. He needs someone to stand for him.



Though...erasing zero's memories :(? Ouch, somehow though I think the bond between zero and yuuki is unbreakable and he will somehow remember.



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Their fates are twisted and hurts for me.