Vampire Knight Chapter 88 Discussion

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Vesperlynd said:
Looks a moderator came deleted the 88 thread and one other one (perhaps more). Site and Forum Guidelines have been newly updated too. The flaming must have gotten out of hand.



I agree that it's only a matter of time until Zero regains his memories. I guess erasing his memories will allow Yuuki to break free of his tail XD and we'll get some scenes where Yuuki can talk to Kaname alone.



That makes sense, I've noticed many discussions missing on some forums.



I think erasing his memories will not change anything, in the sense he'll still be cold fronted Zero, a vampire hunter.



I'm glad we'll finally see a conversation with yuuki and kaname where I won't feel that Yuuki is truly not the younger sibliing and is treated as such. So excited!
 
  • #11
I don't understand what is hino sensei thinking. Before yuki became a vampire, this manga is my favorite but after yuki became a vampire, this series has lost its charm.

Why did she had to erase zero's memory?! It's like she was just toying with zero's heart!

And what the hell is with yume ending reinforcement? Okay, I don't care if yuki ends up with kaname or die because of him cause I'm starting to  hate this chara. I just hope that hino wouldn't kill zero because the only reason I continue to read this worthless manga is zero. And i hope that zero has his own story. Zero deserves someone better than that bitch yuki.

The previous works of hino sensei is all good, it such a shame that this series is so awful. It doesn't have a clear plot, and she keeps missing to tell the details to readers
 
  • #12
Ahhhhh~ this is all so dramatic, if it was anything else I'd call it cheesy but I'm absolutely in love with Vampire Knight.



I figured Kaname was doing it for her anyway, but he also said after all that he wants to sacrifice himself so she can turn human again. Unless he knows that she'd really rather be with Zero, that's pretty selfish of him. He never talked to her properly, maybe she would have stayed with him, although we know that she was kinda going crazy (as in really upset) when 'locked up' in the castle. Besides that, Zero is a vampire too, so her being a human again would risk her safety (also due to jealousy or hate of other vampires who could rip her apart if they knew she was human again) and Kaname wouldn't want that. It must tear him apart though to see her running back to Zero, although it is according to his plan. It'd make sense though, because he knows she'll be safe with him (I'm referring to "You could never betray her, because you are under her obligation. You are being let to live because of that, Zero. By me." here). I guess her talking about Zero when Kaname and her were together made him decide to do what he's doing right now. Poor guy :(



He also said he wants to destroy all the Anti-Vampire Weapons, right? I assume due to the fact that 'the parent' could rest then and wouldn't be trapped in the tree. Why does he need to replace it then though (like he said at some point, that he wants to become the new parent)? Obviously  because he feels responsible for the hooded woman being trapped there, but wouldn't destroying the weapons alter the use of keeping her soul in the tree? (We know she supports him though as she kills Sara, I think it was?)

And how the hell did Kaname get Shiki and Rima (love them <3) to help him again though? because the group was kinda split.

I have no clue about Rido but maybe he was cursed for killing the Kuran-baby or for awakening Kaname?
 
  • #13
I just quickly skimmed through the posts on here, so just a couple things I want to answer/point out for now. I'm working on a proper post that's a bit more LT-centric, I'll post that when it's done.



@ "I love you," vs. "Fondness."

This got brought up so I thought I'd comment on it too. The japanese text for this line was "suki," which is typically translated as I like you or I love you depending on the context. Fondness isn't inaccurate but it's a bit awkward sounding in English. Whether you prefer like or love is up to you but the implication is romantic nonetheless, thus Yuuki is basically thinking that her feelings for Zero are romantic. Fans can decide for themselves what the extent of her feelings are. ^^



Yuuki calling Kaname her brother/oniisama

There are three translations out now: one by senbyafanatic on livejournal, which is translated from the Chinese Raws. She translated this line as "My brother." The other two are the scanlation teams, S2Scans and White Lily Scans, and they both translated it as Kaname-onii-sama.



Zero Sacrificing Himself

I won't say it can't happen, but at the end of the day Zero is still an ex-human vampire and we don't know much about his abilities as a complete twin born to the hunters. The reason a pureblood is necessary for creating a new furnace is because as Kaname discovered, the only thing capable of destroying them is themselves, thus a pureblood sacrifice being necessary. As for turning a vampire into a human (I forget now if this one was actually mentioned on here or not, sorry!), I think this is also something beyond an ex-human vampires abilities.



Parent Metal

This was explained already on here, I just wanted to elaborate a bit. The furnace (or "mother metal" as it was called before) is where all anti-vampire weapons originated, thus it's like the "parent" of those weapons, their place of origin.



Isaya Setting up the Masquerade

There's possibly more to it, but I think that Isaya just wanted to stop being a spectator and actually do something for a change, like Kaien did. Possibly this is connected with the "50 years of memories," that he gained from his servant when he drank her blood, after he first woke up from his slumber. It seems like Haruka and Juuri were dear friends of his, though, and I believe it's because their children are involved in the current conflict and technically on opposite sides that he wanted to do something to perhaps honour that friendship. Maybe he was just hoping Kaname would give some kind of meaning to Isaya's existence, or end it.



As for the Masquerade Ball itself, it was somewhat random, but apart from the purposes it served in the plot I think Hino just threw it in to parallel the arc one dance (which even got an honourable mention in this chapter). She seems fond of the parallels between the two arcs, or characters.



Yuuki Erasing Zero's Memories

First of all, I'm fairly certain that Yuuki was successfully able to erase Zero's memories, since we had Zero's thought (while Yuuki was drinking his blood) that "something within him" was disappearing. And on that page, we see his memories of Yuuki. After she subdues him with her bracelet, we see Zero's thoughts again and he thinks that his memories of her are.... ['disappearing' I assume but it's not actually specified]



We have to also remember that this isn't just about Yuuki trying to ease his suffering; Zero hasn't been letting her out of his sight, and it's probably because he noticed something was up (chapter 86 he comments on how he doesn't know what's gotten into her). She tried to leave the Academy without telling him, but he seemed to know anyway and was waiting for her. She tried to convince him to stay because of his duties (and Zero is a dutiful person) and he chose to leave with her anyway. She gave him that speech about how she couldn't live with him and belonged to someone else, and he chose to walk into her house and force her to confront her own feelings. Yuuki knows that Zero wouldn't approve of this plan, which is why she never told him about it until she was erasing his memories of her existence. She also knows that he'd try to save her and he'd never forgive himself if he failed. So, from this perspective, Yuuki's actions make sense.



Zero will definitely remember Yuuki. Not only do we have an example of this in the first arc, when Yuuki remembered about Zero confronting Maria/Shizuka, but we have an example in this arc as well when the class president Kageyama remembered who Ruka was despite his memories being erased - and Ruka was someone he had a crush on throughout the first arc. Since in this case, Ruka's entire existence seemed to be erased from his mind, it's the best example we have of this happening in the manga and it's probably why Hino randomly included that scene at all.



Shiki & Rima on Kaname's Side

I don't think they're on Kaname's side so much as Takuma's. They were following him to the Association before when he went with Sara, and he's now back by Kaname's side. I think this time, they want to stick close to him. He seems to be a very dear friend to both Shiki and Rima, so they may want to protect him from doing anything foolish or even from getting too involved in Kaname's plans. I kind of see it being like Ruka and Kain - Ruka didn't agree with what Kaname was doing, but she cared for him and wanted to look out for him. Kain especially didn't agree with Kaname, but he wanted to look out for Ruka and protect her.
 
  • #14
Aw, thank you very much :) now I got it. It's quite difficult to understand the translations sometimes.



I still don't know why Kaname does all this though, he promised Yuuki a new start but to make her happy he should've just stayed with her and not risk his life and make her stop loving him (like being rude to her, 'You're in my way' etc.)



I love it too, it's my favourite picture of them :D  will make a new more beautiful signature out of it soon, because this 1 i quite old, also from the new artwork of Yuuki and Zero.
 
  • #15
If zero going to lost his memories, I don't know about this but one thing for sure, this feeling gonna to be very bitter. I hope for a season 3 too, zero's voice actor is fantastic, the award winning voice actor for setsuna/light yagami
 
  • #16
I'm a fan of Kaname! And, after reading this chapter, I find many answers for him.

Yuki loves Kaname and Zero but deep down, actually the love she feels for Kaneme is much higher. There are over links with Kaname, than with Zero. The decision of Yuki, erase the memories of Zero, is aimed at what he does not suffer for the decision she made (make Kaname human).

I think in the end, she ends up not erase the memories of Zero. I think the Zero is that it will become the "parent". The vampire hunter who sacrifices himself.

To me, that is not logical:



A) The Kaname becomes human and Yuki die (because Kaname loves Yuki too much to live without her. Even if all his past is erased from their memories, the people around him know!);



B) The Yuki become human again and Kaname dies; (A Yuki back to human? Nooooo, I do not think ...)



C) The Yuki still alive (as vampire) and the Kaname die. (The Kaname is Yuki's essential to life. She, like him, can not live without their half. Then he decides to erase the memories of Zero. She knows that if Kaname dies she will have no reason to live as a vampire.)



D) zero, becoming a level E. (Matsuri-San, after much struggle will not thereby to Zero, this final)



Peace exists because the Kuran created. thus, it is necessary to have the Kuran bloodline. (is what I think.) :p



however, I predict that the next chapters will be a surprise. Everything is being very unpredictable.



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:. sorry if my english is not good but I tried to be clear.
 
  • #17
Nendz said:


I still don't know why Kaname does all this though, he promised Yuuki a new start but to make her happy he should've just stayed with her and not risk his life and make her stop loving him (like being rude to her, 'You're in my way' etc.)





Kaname is doing it for Yuuki´s safety and at the same time because he clearly feels guilty for the hooded woman sacrificing herself and not being able to "rest" because the "parent" is  a tree and it seems it traps the soul of the pureblood there. Love and Guilty.

Being "rude" is necessary when you want a person to stay away from you. It was almost the same when Zero said to Yuuki "Next time I see you I´ll kill you". Harsh words that are disguising their real feelings.  

And then both Kaname and Zero are persons who care a lot about their duty. Zero´s purpose (to kill all purebloods) became Kaname´s purpose.



What I never understood (and Im open to explanations!) is why in one chapter long time ago Kaname was talking to "dead" Rido and saying "While Im alive you can never die". or something like that. I still cant get why Rido´s "ghost" haunts Kaname.



underthesamesky said:
I'm fairly certain that Yuuki was successfully able to erase Zero's memories



Me too. It would be impossible to stop now. She kept the bracelet during the whole manga btw. Im pretty sure Zero will start acting like Sakura from Tsubasa chronicles, because everyone around him remembers Yuuki and ofc, people will tell them about her, so unless Yuuki erased everyone´s memories about her, it doesnt make sense. Zero will be in pain firstly trying to remember who is missing in his memories and later "who is that Yuuki you´re telling me about, I must remember". I sense Yori coming. Possibly Maria also.

Also, if she is erasing herself and leaving Kaname in his memories, doesnt make sense again. Zero will keep living now, only for hate and he will chase after Kaname just like her.

So yeah in the end they´ll meet all again.
 
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