Vampire Knight Chapter 88 Discussion

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Narutowolf77 said:
Bwahahaha! I knew Kaname had something totally selfless planned for Yuuki, sacrificing himself to make Yuuki human I totally called it XD! Even though he can't now because he plans on becoming the new "parent", still either way you look at it he's sacrificing himself for selfless reasons and I called it :P



Anyways moving on my prediction (and what I'm hoping will happen) is that Zero will wind up sacrificing himself in order to:



1. Take Kaname's place as the new parent (could also work since he has some of Kaname's blood inside of him) thus Yuuki won't have to sacrifice herself to make Kaname human, in which case Kaname remains a vampire and Yuuki may or may not become human (depending on Isaya)



2. Making Kaname human (not totally out of character since he'd be doing it to save Yuuki not Kaname :P) but I'm not sure who would become the new parent (maybe or

maybe not Yuuki depending on if Isaya makes her human)



In number one the end pair would be YuMe plus, number one would also work within the theme of co-existence because it was the VAMPIRE ancestress that sacrificed herself the first time to help the humans/hunters and this time it would be a hunter/human sacrificing himself to help the/a vampire, it fits even more if Kaname remains a vampire and Yuuki becomes a human.



Of course there are the endings that Oryulan (although as a hardcore KanaYuu fan I'm kind of upset that you said the YuMe pairing is unavailable >.<) stated and there (may be, but hope is dying fast) an ending where all three live that ends in YuMe and Zero with another girl like Maria or Yori.



For me I'd most like to see my number one happen within the series and I'd least like to see Oryulan's options B and C (I'd be very, VERY upset if Kaname died so upset that Hino-sensei may suddenly *cough* disappear...) although I CAN'T see a Zeki ending in which Kaname lives (simply because he loves Yuuki too much and could never be with another girl - I can't even picture him with another girl -.-), Zero on the other hand I can easily see with someone like Maria or Yori.



LOL! sorry, I didnt meant to be rude, its just, Im not much of a ZEKI fan (even though I still prefer it to YuMe), Im mostly a Zero fan XD*And I dont like Yuuki much, I dont dislike Kaname though* So, I will flip everything around me and send a hate email to Hino-senpai if she kills Zero, so NO, OPTION D IS NOT AVAILABLE, sorry XP. Actually any option where Zero dies is not available, my brain will refuse it and I shall burn in the fire all my VK vols (or just sell them for the lowest price in ebay because I dont want to own manga like that) XP I dont mind a Yume end, as long as Zero stays alive and HAPPY. Because he deserves it, damnit. If he dies all Kiryuu generation is over, I CANNOT accept it. Ichiru already died, its enough.

Mostly I think that if one of them dies, obviously the other will stay with Yuuki. So because I love Zero, I dont want him to die. I would rather see a yaoi end and Yuuki dying, kay. This guy is eighteen years old and since his childhood has been suffering, its enough.



But I do understand that Kaname fans also dont want him dead. Perhaps something magical will happen and the three of them stay alive and...live in...threesome, or Zero goes for Yori/Maria. (I know Kaname wont choose anyone but Yuuki, I know. I know Zero could choose Yori/Maria but the thing is, he spent the whole manga loving Yuuki not even looking at Maria/Yori when he had plenty of chances, so it means, that Yuuki is also the only one he might ever come to love, unless, ofc, Yuuki succeeds and erases his memories, that way he might try to love other person.



What if option F: No one dies, but Yuuki succeds in: Erasing Zero´s memories and turning Kaname human? Do you know what that means? Both Kaname and Zero will forget her, LOOOOL.



@HikaruIzumi: Reading your post made a click on me. You´re totally right. Im so tired of Hino´s plotholes plus cliché scenes. Also Yuuki did nothing in the whole manga...*typical shoujo heroine, I hate it* I do hope Yuuki redeems herself at the remaining chapters.

Also...why the hell Hino doesnt explain the ancestress story a little better? We know Kaname loved her. Why cant we see their past detailed? Hino didnt even named her. Its the "hooded woman" =_= Kaname, our main is willing to sacrifice himself in order to make her rest or whatever, even choosing her over Yuuki (that´s why he is asking Izaya to turn Yuuki into human, because he choose to become the new metal to replace the ancestress), and we didnt even know anything about the ancestress.

By the way, if Kaname spent 10 thousand years in a coffin, I wonder from where did come from the kurans? Yuuki´s parents? they descend from whom? Did Kaname had a brother, a sister? Because he didnt have children, but he is the Kuran ancestor, so some Kuran had to procreate somehow right?



Lulexiaa said:
Make him human!??!?!



And HOW are they gonna do that!? XDD



It seems that a pureblood can become human if another pureblood dies for him XD Why it works like that I have no idea. Purebloods are magical.

Almost like fairies. That´s why Yuuki had butterfly wings in some chapter. XP
 
  • #52
Bwahahaha! I knew Kaname had something totally selfless planned for Yuuki, sacrificing himself to make Yuuki human I totally called it XD! Even though he can't now because he plans on becoming the new "parent", still either way you look at it he's sacrificing himself for selfless reasons and I called it :P



Anyways moving on my prediction (and what I'm hoping will happen) is that Zero will wind up sacrificing himself in order to:



1. Take Kaname's place as the new parent (could also work since he has some of Kaname's blood inside of him) thus Yuuki won't have to sacrifice herself to make Kaname human, in which case Kaname remains a vampire and Yuuki may or may not become human (depending on Isaya)



2. Making Kaname human (not totally out of character since he'd be doing it to save Yuuki not Kaname :P) but I'm not sure who would become the new parent (maybe or

maybe not Yuuki depending on if Isaya makes her human)



In number one the end pair would be YuMe plus, number one would also work within the theme of co-existence because it was the VAMPIRE ancestress that sacrificed herself the first time to help the humans/hunters and this time it would be a hunter/human sacrificing himself to help the/a vampire, it fits even more if Kaname remains a vampire and Yuuki becomes a human.



Of course there are the endings that Oryulan (although as a hardcore KanaYuu fan I'm kind of upset that you said the YuMe pairing is unavailable >.<) stated and there (may be, but hope is dying fast) an ending where all three live that ends in YuMe and Zero with another girl like Maria or Yori.



For me I'd most like to see my number one happen within the series and I'd least like to see Oryulan's options B and C (I'd be very, VERY upset if Kaname died so upset that Hino-sensei may suddenly *cough* disappear...) although I CAN'T see a Zeki ending in which Kaname lives (simply because he loves Yuuki too much and could never be with another girl - I can't even picture him with another girl -.-), Zero on the other hand I can easily see with someone like Maria or Yori.
 
  • #53
C´mon guys, we know there will always be Yume fans and Zeki fans, and Kaname fans and Zero fans and it will be a fight like Inuyasha - Kagome - Kikyo, and I honestly believe that no matter which Yuuki chooses, the fandom of the other guy will rage eternally...but the story has to end otherwise people will start getting tired even if they love a chara there.



I honestly dont dislike Kaname, but I love Zero. I understand how its like to have your fav chara killed, believe me, so I wont criticize Kaname fans, and Im forced to comply with Yume shippers regarding Yuuki undeniably loving Kaname, perhaps more than Zero. Her behavior has been very inconsistent all this time. Its impossible to know.

People ask me why I dislike Yuuki and its so easy to reply.Im sorry Yuuki fans  Because she was unable to choose one of the guys truly and spent the whole manga being protected by both guys without doing almost nothing, so its finally time to see her in action Sure, we all can love two or more persons at the same time, but when the "time arrives" you choose one and dont get doubts, that´s it.

She was with Zero and was like "Yeah, I love Kaname but Ill stay with you." Then she was with Kaname and was like "Yeah, I LOVE you but you know, half of my heart is with Zero". Then she switches to Zero and was like "Yeah sure I love you, but you know, I love Kaname  too and I cannot stay with you". Then she switched again and now we have "OMG, Zero, after all , I love YOU. BUT, yeah, I gotta go stay with Kaname."



Will she stop it? Whom the fuck she loves the most?!!! Because in one chapter it seems its Zero and another chapter its seems its Kaname, and I never know. She seems Inuyasha: stays with one, chases after the other =_= seriously? 18 vols guys! 18 vols, of those changes/indecision/doubts its enough....

Anyway, good luck to Yume/Kaname fans, and ofc, Good luck to us too, Zeki/Zero fans^.^



Oh and to Zero/Kaname fans, good luck to KaZe! ;) that´s the yaoi route



All ships must be respected;)



now regarding the March issue...no one is sure if there is 3 chapters remaining OR, if its the beginning of a new arc, AKA, more volumes...perhaps 10 more =_=
 
  • #54
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                        Raws are out.



Wow, for the first time ever I am surprised in VK. Finally a twist. Finally. Not sure if I like it though XP

lovely color page of Zeki *.*



So basically main points:

- After cockblocking Zeki kiss (CONFIRMED THIS CHAPTER, THEY REALLY KISSED), Kaname leaves. Then he is seen talking to Isaya and saying he wants to become the "new metal" (aka replace the hooded woman) and wants to ask Isaya something about Yuuki. (probably to turn her into human).



- Yuuki thinking how would it be if she and Zero had met both as humans. Thinking of him romantically. (according to translations, she refers to Kaname as "my brother". So it seems her heart has decided who she loves the most = Zero. Although she still loves Kaname I think.)



And the twist there it comes:



YUUKI DECIDING TO ERASE ZERO´S MEMORIES OF HER BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO TURN KANAME INTO HUMAN (AKA SHE WILL DIE FOR IT). So she doesnt want Zero to suffer with her death. Bitch, Why the purebloods are always toying with Zero´s life never letting him choose, damnit

Actually, Im very sad with her decision. I know she wants to protect Zero, and I give her credit, but erasing his memories its just too sad. Its heart breaking T__T Why do I feel a CLAMP vibe?



And there you have. Yuuki erasing Zero´s memories even though he begged her not to.

Well if she dies it would be an amazing twist in shoujo. Not happening for sure, the one who´ll die will probably be Kaname.



So yay, my body is ready. Yuuki wishes for a yaoi ending Zero x Kaname. I like it XP



Anyway no VK next month, only in January. Good way, Hino-sensei, letting us in a cliffhanger for two months. *sighs*



Anyway, theories anyone?

Option A: Zero forgets Yuuki. Yuuki Dies. Kaname lives and becomes lover friends with Zero. Zero probably will go for Maria or Yori?



Option B: Zero remembers Yuuki and saves her. Kaname dies. Zeki stays together as the new Kuran generation.



Option C: Kaname dies, Yuuki turns into a human. Zero with his erased memories meets Yuuki as human whom also has erased memories (because turning into a human will erase them) and they meet again and fall in love again.



Sorry guys, Option D (Zero dies and Yume stays together, IS NOT AVAILABLE) XP

Also, Option E is unlikely (Everyone lives and we have a threesome forever or everyone lives and Yuuki chooses one of them is also highly unlikely at this point).



People in tumblr are saying that next chapter we might finally find out who is the "vampire knight". Zero? Yuuki? Kaname? XD Anyway there´s people saying that VK will end at March, three more chapters to the end? Which makes a total of 18 vols.

So...opinions?



 
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Wait, it's restored again? lol I couldn't even bring up the cached version yesterday. Site bug? :



Mod Edit: It was a rollback. For more information see the announcement board.
 
  • #56
RantingPrincess said:


I'm pretty sure we all can agree that Yuuki's plan is going to fail (hopefully). I also can finally confirm that she LOVES Zero, not as a friend or brother but as a lover! So yep, I'm positive that it's gonna be a ZEKI ending.





Don't count your chickens before they hatch, for one while Yuuki may care for Zero romantically but  she also seems to still care for Kaname romantically (I haven't seen any evidence to suggest otherwise), and we still don't know the rest of the sentence started in chapter 87 "The boy I want to cherish...I love him. But I..." we still don't know what the rest of "But I..." is (could be "But I...love Kaname more", "But I...need to save Kaname", "But I... belong with Kaname" etc. Personally I hope for the first one), all we know is that it pertains to Kaname since it shows Yuuki's mask falling off right when she sees him meaning she knows exactly how she feels for both boys now. Also I don't think she'd be saying the only way to stop Kaname is to turn him human if she didn't still hold some feelings for him, I actually interpret this line as her saying "I can't bring myself to kill him so there's no other choice".



Although you could argue that because she refers to him as "Kaname-oniisan" that her feelings are of brother and sister however I see a lot of holes in this as this is one of things she called him as in the past before she finally started calling him Kaname, also I've only seen one translation of the chapter so far and I would like to see another one or have someone actually translate the kanji from the original for me before I really trust it since there was a major difference in two translations from chapter 87 (one said "fondness" and the other said "I love him"). Also I don't think Yuuki's speculation speech exactly gives points to Zeki (and I say this from a completely non-biased standpoint) for one it's almost like Yuuki saying the only way for them to be together is in an alternate world and for another Zero crushed that idea by saying that "In the first place if we were humans we would not have any links" meaning they probably wouldn't fall in love because they wouldn't have anything connecting them (which I can see considering they don't really have much in common), that's just the way I interpret this (and please trust me even though I'm a KanaYuuki fan I try to interpret Zeki scenes from a non-biased standpoint - especially now that I no longer HATE Zero after I vented all my rage in a old forum post, although I still don't necessarily LIKE him and I'm a few points short of neutral).



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On a different note for anyone that was wondering who  the blonde chick in the chapter that said "He killed her younger brother and my husband" was I think it was Aido-senpai's mother (and I certainly was not happy with her saying 'He killed her younger brother' that was not Kaname's fault -.-).
 
  • #57
...So many feels. It seems pretty obvious it's going to be a Zeki ending because... dear god all the moments together. It's finally happening... but stupid Yuuki. Stop trying to do everything by yourself! Don't take away Zero's memories of you...

She thinks it will make things better for Zero but she doesn't realize... she's the reason he made it through all those years...

Making another selfish decision again, Yuuki, all by yourself.
 
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