Bleach Chapter 523 Discussion

i had to take a good long look at the new Unohana  couldn't even tell it was her thought it was a man at first scary

Who would ever thought Unohana had such a legendary background history?

Not only that, was Unohana the one who Zaraki defeated in order to become the Captain and named Kenpachi? But it was said he was killed, in front of every member of the 11th Division.

Fuck yes, called Unohana being in that picture correctly.



I guess, my guess of Unohana and Zaraki having fought in the Zaraki district before is also true, Unohana being the reason Zaraki doe snot remember anything from his past.



Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.



Anyway, wondering what did Shunsui mean about "one of you has to die" - Kubo never does anything without  a catch, so I am betting both will come out okay from this, but HOW? Could Unohana be able to defy death(considering her shikai heals supposedly)? An undefeatable regeneration capability seems to be perfect for someone who would be in the  midst of battle(of course there's the scar she has, but Kubo can explain that). In anyway way, VERY interested on how this turns out.



As for Zanpakutoh side of story - I am guessing the answer is "Sword is yourself", thus neither is on top and both are equal

Kubo you better don't skip, not fuck up this fight.



Can't wait to see them go on each other, holy shit Unohana crazy as hell.

bonifide said:
Fai said:
bonifide said:
Fai said:
I find it suspicious that the whole "its nigh impossible to differ a full sword spirit from human" thing is going on parallel with this fight.



I would not put it past Kubo from going on and saying that Zaraki Kenpachi is Unohana's sword and killing intent she has abandoned or something like that(which strangely would explain why he appeared in Ichigo's  inner world).



Just one of thousand ways to circumvent the "they both die" idea.



I hope some of its true then i dont. I want to see them fight side by side tbh. Didnt other captains appearin Ichigo's inner world. Its been a while so i dont remember.



Nope. Only Zaraki did, representing Ichigo's killing intent. And that happened a total of one time.



You could be right since he said he never knew his sword name. Who knows we will find out soon i hope. Hopefully we learn about Ichigo's birth soon. So many unanswered questions.



Actually if I remember right, didn't he wake up one morning in the middle of plains with no memories, no name, no past and then just pick-up a random sword from someone since he did not seem to have it before? He never bothered to take care of it or converse with it.



I do think its quite far-fetched, but It would not be surprising for me on if Unohana going against the path she walked, had to actually face and defeat her own sword(but since you can't erase who you are, they both survived) and we are now basically watching a same thing as all those Ichigo training arcs, just we do not know it(especially since  
Unohana's sword supposedly has "true form").

In one way it feels like Kubo is completely changing Unohana's character here...but on the other hand her character hasn't really ever been explored that much. Plus she does exude an aura of danger.

Peralisc said:
Fai said:
Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.



So what do you think about Zaraki's little pink haired girlfriend to actually be some super strong shinigami that for one reason or the other ended up being as Nel (that green haired arrancar woman)



Are you kidding? Nel is actually a very strong, badass character. Yachiru also had her moment with the messenger, though I concede that she's a stereotypical bubbly girl, I fail to see how that's misogynistic. Not only that, the clear majority of Bleach female characters are capable in their own right contrary to the lack of badass/capable female characters in more older looking battle manga.

grandy_UiD said:


It's about her friggin' personality that changed out of fucking nowhere. She went from that nice motherly figure (that was still respected and "feared" for being strong even if it was only in a couple of comic relief panels) to THIS. If her name wasn't mentioned in this chapter I wouldn't even have recognized her. No, I do not believe that Kubo created her that many years ago with a ruthless killer in mind.





I was not talking about power. I was talking about restraining her personality. Redemption is not about just flipping a switch and suddenly being a good guy. Its about trying to not be a badguy.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAtoner

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere

http://myanimelist.net/manga/22/Rurouni_Kenshin

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheNiceOnes

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheQuietOnes

http://myanimelist.net/character/2034/Chrno



Need more examples?



In fictional works, where characters actually get developed, a character rarely has just one facet of his personality. Every single character, for it to be a complex character, has various traits and weaknesses that balance each other out.



Hence Ichigo is both a righteous hero wanting to help his friends AND a power-hungry coward covering for his inability to save his mother, and so on, and so on.



That's what makes personal conflict and personal conflict is the basis of a character  - And Unohana has been shown to be strongly reserved overall, thus its only normal that there should be a reason for that, to justify her reservations and avoidance of fights. Since  we are using a modernized medieval-japan as setting for SS, a killer on the path of redemption is most likely trope, especially considering how she always has spoken about importance of lives.



vindemon64 said:


But that has never been stated anywhere.  To redeem herself?  Sure, we can possibly make that inference now that we know her true nature.  But before that?  There was nothing to say that she wanted to be a medic to redeem herself.  Admittedly, I don't remember the finer details of this manga as I would with some others that I follow more closely.  So it could be the case that I just simply don't remember and it was mentioned somewhere.  



There does not need to, hence why its hidden depths trope - common in fiction work. Character development is all about either enriching already known traits or revealing traits that no one knew the character has.



If we use this argument, then one can argue pretty much EVERY single character in every single fictional work to not make sense



We had hints that she was more than meets the eye and that was enough. IF every plot twist was spelled out before it happened it would not be plot twist.



Her personality and her interactions before this make complete sense with this reveal, thus her character narrative retains coherence.(especially since medics make the best killers and professional killers have a good understanding of biology).



It is up to flashbacks to enhance it and to not break it.