Bleach Chapter 523 Discussion

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                        Unohana vs. Kenpachi and one of them has to die? Damn, I'm excited and I like how we get to learn more about them.



Also, it looked like two of the Asauchi were crying, anyone else got the impression? I really can't wait to see Zangetsu again.



@Puty:



Dark Knight xD
 
  • #68
@macx12



calm down i already pointed that out too about  Goku transforming to Super Saiyan

its just Unohana going battle mode an artistic expression



anyway mangastream version is out, the better scanlation
 
  • #69
bonifide said:
Fai said:
I find it suspicious that the whole "its nigh impossible to differ a full sword spirit from human" thing is going on parallel with this fight.



I would not put it past Kubo from going on and saying that Zaraki Kenpachi is Unohana's sword and killing intent she has abandoned or something like that(which strangely would explain why he appeared in Ichigo's  inner world).



Just one of thousand ways to circumvent the "they both die" idea.



I hope some of its true then i dont. I want to see them fight side by side tbh. Didnt other captains appearin Ichigo's inner world. Its been a while so i dont remember.



Nope. Only Zaraki did, representing Ichigo's killing intent. And that happened a total of one time.
 
  • #70
Why would one have to die ? :s



Makes the fight more serious i guess...
 
  • #71
TheUnknownOne said:
Fai said:
TheUnknownOne said:
Peralisc said:
Fai said:
Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.



So what do you think about Zaraki's little pink haired girlfriend to actually be some super strong shinigami that for one reason or the other ended up being as Nel (that green haired arrancar woman)



Are you kidding? Nel is actually a very strong, badass character. Yachiru also had her moment with the messenger, though I concede that she's a stereotypical bubbly girl, I fail to see how that's misogynistic. Not only that, the clear majority of Bleach female characters are capable in their own right contrary to the lack of badass/capable female characters in more older looking battle manga.



being bubbly or cheerful does not instantly mean the writer who wrote that is misogynist. Both Cheerful innocent characters and surviving victims can be written in many different ways. A female character does not need to be a hardass tomboy to display themes of empowerment and/or gender equality.



Not to mention that Yachiru shows no fear towards both Unohana and Zaraki and is shown to be quite dangerous in how others react to her.



And Nel? Now my memories of HM arc are a little hazy, but wasn't she one of the strongest pre-Aizen Espada capable of standing up against most of Aizen's Espada and only having been defeated in the past due to scheming and underhanded treachery of a clear villain who was unable to deal with the fact that a woman was stronger than him? And despite being defeated and having all of her power taken form her, didn't Nel still never ever acknowledge or even accept Nnoitora as stronger? She pretty much chided Nnoitora for being a child and displayed a strong sense of honor, as well as moral superiority. She also was shown to be intelligent, well-versed, interested in reading and only went down due an unfair distraction, which, Szayel pretty much stated was THE ONLY reason Nnoitora won.  In fact, after that,  Nnoitora got YEARS of unfair advantage and in the end STILL got schooled by her.



You're either reiterating my points or quoted the wrong person, because I know and recognize this. I am saying Kubo shows no sign of misogyny in writing his female characters. Japan as a country seems to represent females in a pretty suggestive manner and most shounen battle manga including both One Piece and Naruto do blatantly have stereotypical roles and such shoved down the viewers throat and hence, I applaud Kubo extremely for not doing that at all.

I am just seconding what you said and adding additional arguments by replying to the person you quoted at the same time.
 
  • #72
awesome chapter



Unohana's expression! : prepare your anus :))



I think both will survive the training but can't wait to see the next chapter



I also wonder if Ichigo will get zangetsu back or a whole new one
 
  • #73
Fai said:
grandy_UiD said:
Consumed said:
Wow. Wonder how Unohana managed to put up that facade for so long. She's no different than Zaraki

This complete change in character (design) really bugs me as it seems really random. Like Kubo didn't create her to be like that in the first place and just recently thought "hey, let's completely change that". Which is probably how it actually happened...



She spent whole manga avoiding fights.

EVERYONE including Aizen of all people avoided her or any sort of direct confrontations with her.

Arrancar masked fodder soldiers RAN AWAY from her after she identified herself.

Yamaji specifically kept her out of VR fight.



So its more than likely she was always like that, just restraining herself.



Yamaji dying I guess was the breaking point.



I have to agree with grandy_UiD.  While you make decent points Fai, I personally viewed most of those instances of her being held back because of her role as a medic than anything else.  We all know that medics in the battlefield are supposed to be held back to tend to the injured.  Not enter the battlefield themselves and risk the possibility of injury.  Because if that happened, they wouldn't be able to help their comrades.



I like the change, don't get me wrong.  But it seems really random out of character.    Well, whatever.  I just wish Kubo would actually fill his chapters with more meat rather than then the bare bones story and plot we receive each chapter.  So much space is just wasted, imo.  Maybe it could boil down to the fact that I personally don't like his way of storytelling.
 
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