Bleach Chapter 523 Discussion
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- #78
I still stand with my believe that this is not what Kubo had in mind when he created her character. Which isn't bad per se, can't expect an author to have a full backstory in mind for every character right from the beginning. Sometimes you just take an already existing character and think "hey I haven't done much with that character and I have a cool idea so I'll go with it". Kenpachi had mentioned he took his name (Kenpachi) from a person he admired or liked or can't remember what exactly in the first arc, Yachiru's name was also taken from that same person, that person being Unohana makes perfect sense; Unohana was feared since the first arcs, she had the aura that made people avoid disagreeing with her, it was comic-relief, but it also showed that Unohana had the aura of a dangerous person. The reason her being the calm and collected person probably hangs together with her past and back-story, which we still don't know, but the reason for the sudden change to her old personality is Yama's death, which makes me think he was the one who made her turn to a calm person and she respected him and his decisions, but now he's dead..
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The first half was kinda recycled info we knew from the first arcs, but the 2nd half was great. The thing that bugs me is the last comment, killing Unohana right now would be retarded, and Kenpachi dying won't happen, so hopefully Kubo won't kill Unohana.
- #79
hungry_bunny said:
Zaraki turned out to be a powerless lamb sent to slaughter during the war, and he still managed to draw blood from Unohana?
And Unohana, the most dangerous wolf of all who managed to uphold the illusion of an innocent lamb for so long (which makes her even more dangerous) not only let him do that, but she responded only with a single shallow slash across his face?
Sounds strange... but perhaps a history will be told soon that will infuse logic into it all. That's the thing I look forward to the most...
Most likely Zaraki lost most of his power in that fight since barring name Yachiru he does not seem to have any memories of what was before that.That actually makes sense. If that's true then this fight might not be a training session, but a healing session for Zaraki's amnesia. A way to remember old skills and powers... and names.
- #80
grandy_UiD said:
j0x said:
the drastic sudden change in Unohana's personality and look is just artistic expression of how badass Unohana is, its like Goku transforming to a Super Saiyan unleashing his full powers
seriously this is fiction work lol if you want real logical story then you should not be reading fiction at all
So as long as it's a work of fiction, anything goes. Makes perfect sence.
im just saying fiction does not have to be strictly realistic and its no big deal its just artistic expression too of how badass Unohana is
The character design is only a minor part of what bothers me. We all now that Kubo likes to...uh...experiment with his art sometimes. But I still think he went too far here. She looks like a dude now. Her facial features don't even resemble her previous look anymore. At first I thought Nnoitra had returned, lol.
- #81
TheUnknownOne said:
Fai said:
TheUnknownOne said:
Peralisc said:
Fai said:
Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.
So what do you think about Zaraki's little pink haired girlfriend to actually be some super strong shinigami that for one reason or the other ended up being as Nel (that green haired arrancar woman)
Are you kidding? Nel is actually a very strong, badass character. Yachiru also had her moment with the messenger, though I concede that she's a stereotypical bubbly girl, I fail to see how that's misogynistic. Not only that, the clear majority of Bleach female characters are capable in their own right contrary to the lack of badass/capable female characters in more older looking battle manga.
being bubbly or cheerful does not instantly mean the writer who wrote that is misogynist. Both Cheerful innocent characters and surviving victims can be written in many different ways. A female character does not need to be a hardass tomboy to display themes of empowerment and/or gender equality.
Not to mention that Yachiru shows no fear towards both Unohana and Zaraki and is shown to be quite dangerous in how others react to her.
And Nel? Now my memories of HM arc are a little hazy, but wasn't she one of the strongest pre-Aizen Espada capable of standing up against most of Aizen's Espada and only having been defeated in the past due to scheming and underhanded treachery of a clear villain who was unable to deal with the fact that a woman was stronger than him? And despite being defeated and having all of her power taken form her, didn't Nel still never ever acknowledge or even accept Nnoitora as stronger? She pretty much chided Nnoitora for being a child and displayed a strong sense of honor, as well as moral superiority. She also was shown to be intelligent, well-versed, interested in reading and only went down due an unfair distraction, which, Szayel pretty much stated was THE ONLY reason Nnoitora won. In fact, after that, Nnoitora got YEARS of unfair advantage and in the end STILL got schooled by her.
You're either reiterating my points or quoted the wrong person, because I know and recognize this. I am saying Kubo shows no sign of misogyny in writing his female characters. Japan as a country seems to represent females in a pretty suggestive manner and most shounen battle manga including both One Piece and Naruto do blatantly have stereotypical roles and such shoved down the viewers throat and hence, I applaud Kubo extremely for not doing that at all.
I am just seconding what you said and adding additional arguments by replying to the person you quoted at the same time.
My apologies then, I was confused since I agreed with basically everything you said, lol.