Bleach Chapter 523 Discussion
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Unohana vs Kenpachi. This is going to be epic.
If Kubo'll bother to show us. I hope(I realized that I say it a lot when this series is involved) that it isn't everything we gonna see from this fight. Kubo seems to have a problem when dealing with Kenpachi's fights.
Also, in Bleach there is always a possibility of the death in the training, how many deaths had we had because of this? Yeah. It isn't dramatic, it's an obligatory condition at this point that become almost comical throughout this series.
I'll be glad if she'll actually get killed since it's another useless character that probably majority of the readers didn't give a damn about.
- #92
grandy_UiD said:
It's about her friggin' personality that changed out of fucking nowhere. She went from that nice motherly figure (that was still respected and "feared" for being strong even if it was only in a couple of comic relief panels) to THIS. If her name wasn't mentioned in this chapter I wouldn't even have recognized her. No, I do not believe that Kubo created her that many years ago with a ruthless killer in mind.
I was not talking about power. I was talking about restraining her personality. Redemption is not about just flipping a switch and suddenly being a good guy. Its about trying to not be a badguy.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAtoner
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere
http://myanimelist.net/manga/22/Rurouni_Kenshin
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheNiceOnes
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheQuietOnes
http://myanimelist.net/character/2034/Chrno
Need more examples?
In fictional works, where characters actually get developed, a character rarely has just one facet of his personality. Every single character, for it to be a complex character, has various traits and weaknesses that balance each other out.
Hence Ichigo is both a righteous hero wanting to help his friends AND a power-hungry coward covering for his inability to save his mother, and so on, and so on.
That's what makes personal conflict and personal conflict is the basis of a character - And Unohana has been shown to be strongly reserved overall, thus its only normal that there should be a reason for that, to justify her reservations and avoidance of fights. Since we are using a modernized medieval-japan as setting for SS, a killer on the path of redemption is most likely trope, especially considering how she always has spoken about importance of lives.
vindemon64 said:
But that has never been stated anywhere. To redeem herself? Sure, we can possibly make that inference now that we know her true nature. But before that? There was nothing to say that she wanted to be a medic to redeem herself. Admittedly, I don't remember the finer details of this manga as I would with some others that I follow more closely. So it could be the case that I just simply don't remember and it was mentioned somewhere.
There does not need to, hence why its hidden depths trope - common in fiction work. Character development is all about either enriching already known traits or revealing traits that no one knew the character has.
If we use this argument, then one can argue pretty much EVERY single character in every single fictional work to not make sense
We had hints that she was more than meets the eye and that was enough. IF every plot twist was spelled out before it happened it would not be plot twist.
Her personality and her interactions before this make complete sense with this reveal, thus her character narrative retains coherence.(especially since medics make the best killers and professional killers have a good understanding of biology).
Quoting TV Tropes pages always makes one right...
The problem I have with this is probably how sudden it all comes. Let's face it, Unohana did not have much significant screentime. And when did we actually get to see the "she's super dangerous and strong and shit" played NOT for laughs? I don't remember (but then again that doesn't say much, since I don't pay that much attention to this manga. You might want to prove me wrong here). At least I did NOT take most of this seriously until now, because it wasn't portrayed in a serious way most of the time.
When you have a character that didn't get much screentime and therefore not much character development and he/she suddenly pulls a 180° turn compared to how he/she was shown until that point...it comes off as odd to me.
I still stand with my believe that this is not what Kubo had in mind when he created her character. Which isn't bad per se, can't expect an author to have a full backstory in mind for every character right from the beginning. Sometimes you just take an already existing character and think "hey I haven't done much with that character and I have a cool idea so I'll go with it".
With how little we knew about Unohana I guess every reveal could've been explained as "she was like that all along, we just didn't get to see it". It still feels too drastic and abrupt to me, personally.
dokuRiruka said:
wait am I the only one who noticed that Unohana (Yachiru, as explained in this chapter) has the same name as the other Yachiru, the girl with the pink hair who always sticks to kenpachi?
I guess you are the only one commenting about that since it was already revealed and discussed in the previous chapter and is nothing new in this one.
