Bleach Chapter 523 Discussion

Consumed said:
Fai said:
Fuck yes, called Unohana being in that picture correctly.

Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.





Except the fact the 90% of all females in bleach have no real character development...

Fai said:
Fuck yes, called Unohana being in that picture correctly.

Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.





What other female characters in Bleach would you consider to be badass?

Fai said:
TheUnknownOne said:
Peralisc said:
Fai said:
Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.



So what do you think about Zaraki's little pink haired girlfriend to actually be some super strong shinigami that for one reason or the other ended up being as Nel (that green haired arrancar woman)



Are you kidding? Nel is actually a very strong, badass character. Yachiru also had her moment with the messenger, though I concede that she's a stereotypical bubbly girl, I fail to see how that's misogynistic. Not only that, the clear majority of Bleach female characters are capable in their own right contrary to the lack of badass/capable female characters in more older looking battle manga.



being bubbly or cheerful does not instantly mean the writer who wrote that is misogynist. Both Cheerful innocent characters and surviving victims can be written in many different ways. A female character does not need to be a hardass tomboy to display themes of empowerment and/or gender equality.



Not to mention that Yachiru shows no fear towards both Unohana and Zaraki and is shown to be quite dangerous in how others react to her.



And Nel? Now my memories of HM arc are a little hazy, but wasn't she one of the strongest pre-Aizen Espada capable of standing up against most of Aizen's Espada and only having been defeated in the past due to scheming and underhanded treachery of a clear villain who was unable to deal with the fact that a woman was stronger than him? And despite being defeated and having all of her power taken form her, didn't Nel still never ever acknowledge or even accept Nnoitora as stronger? She pretty much chided Nnoitora for being a child and displayed a strong sense of honor, as well as moral superiority. She also was shown to be intelligent, well-versed, interested in reading and only went down due an unfair distraction, which, Szayel pretty much stated was THE ONLY reason Nnoitora won.  In fact, after that,  Nnoitora got YEARS of unfair advantage and in the end STILL got schooled by her.



You're either reiterating my points or quoted the wrong person, because I know and recognize this. I am saying Kubo shows no sign of misogyny in writing his female characters. Japan as a country seems to represent females in a pretty suggestive manner and most shounen battle manga including both One Piece and Naruto do blatantly have stereotypical roles and such shoved down the viewers throat and hence, I applaud Kubo extremely for not doing that at all.

Oooh, Unohana vs Kenpachi. Or I guess Zaraki since they both shared the Kenpachi name.



Wonder why those Asauchi's were so mad/sad over Ichigo and Renji.

Consumed said:
Fai said:
Fuck yes, called Unohana being in that picture correctly.

Seriously, Kubo writes some of the most badass women characters in shonen genre, which is somewhat refreshing compared to an outright misogyny of kishi and oda.





What other female characters in Bleach would you consider to be badass?



Yuruichi. Does not even have her sword. Went against Aizen like a badass and, frankly fared just as well as Urahara and Isshin(possibly some of the most strongest characters in the series) did.

Unagiya - a single, independent, working mother who supports herself.

Tres Bestia - defiant till the end, have one of most hax summon technologies that took Yamaji to put down, have some serious balls to go against entire force of quincies, who technically could kill them with one successful arrow(due to the nature of the said arrows), undying loyalty to their queen.

The creepy chick from RG, who is apparently smarter than Mayuri(if she is a woman).



Surprisingly even Inoue - she had abusive family, lost her brother who was the only one who protected her, got kidnapped by disc-one-final-boss and beaten up by monsters, had to watch her loved one die(frankly the whole "kurosaki-kun" thing gets lost when translated, since when in japanese, it allows you to show her mental state in the moment, as you see coherence between syllables slowly disappear). And despite all of that, she came out psychologically stable, looking forward for future and being able to freely talk about her past to others(something she was incapable at the start). She might be unable to fight as good as others due to her personality nature(since her attack strength depends on her anger), but she is perfect example of someone who went through A LOT of horrible shit and yet still manages to stand on her two feet.



Then I have no doubts that Masaki will be equally as badass in flashbacks. Especially if she is the one Isshin had to use FGT against.



Kubo does love his fanservice and objectifying his characters(but he does it to both males and females), but every time female character gets a spotlight, its an awesome one.





Don't remember much from where I stopped reading OP, but  what I remember was an arc where one of only existing female characters is placed into a role of helpless damsel in distress, with character development making her 100% dependent on male lead.  Don't know on if it gets better.

ANd then you have Narutoe, where I frankly can't remember even one female character who was not a:

1) powerless healer.

2) weak in terms of personality

3) domesticated submissive waifu.

And none of them get even somewhat decent character development.

kirby_422 said:
One thing that bugs me, is that he claims he created every single one of the zanpakuto in existence.. That they all started as the empty shells. Just how many uninfluenced zanpakuto did the hollows collect for Arrancar to start showing up?.. I can accept aizen bringing a bunch for when he made arrancar, but the other ones..



And ichigo.. someone had an oversized uninfluenced zanpakuto laying around for when he got rukia's powers? If he had actually overwritten rukia's zanpakuto, then that means that none of the captains need to worry about loosing bankai since they can just pour their soul into a new zanpakuto, since rukia still has a fully functioning zanpakuto...



Arrancar do not USE asauchi or zanpakutoh - they start in released forms and shrink them into swords similar to how shinigami seal their shikai. But its not the same sword.



Ichigo took Rukia's sword and shaped it into his own. Even when he was awakening his own power at Urahara's he had broken hilt of that sword.



The difference with soul is that there might be NOTHING to POUR into asauchi after its broken. It has formed itself from part of  user's soul, thus destroying a sword, would imply destroying that everything that defines the user's power.



Rukia did not "lose" her powers, she got her powers "depleted", she did not need to create them new ones, just like Ichigo after he lost his powers via FGT

epic chapter. I wonder what the answer to that zanpakutou question is though. I don't really see what Ichigo and Renji were doing wrong at first. Are they supposed to accept zanpaktou as equals? Or higher than shiningami?

To be honest i never actually thought unohana would be super strong, but man kubo sure knows how to make twists on the story :)



Though this is a death battle between kenpaichi and unohana i hope kenpaichi doesn't die >.< i like unohana  because she's badass but kenpaichi dying would really be a turn off for me :|



all in all a great chapter.