Bleach Chapter 523 Discussion
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- #44
For Ichigo and Renji, And for Kenpachi aswell.
Kenpachi vs. Unohana, Sadly, I think Unohana will die as they said one of them has to die, I don't think they'll make Kenpachi die. :/ I just hope we get to see Kenpachi's Zanpakuto in a released form and see how strong he is, haha. :P
But yeah that's just my opinion. The two ways can happen. :P
Anyways, Can't wait to see the next chapters :)
- #47
Archnemesis said:
Fai said:
kirby_422 said:
One thing that bugs me, is that he claims he created every single one of the zanpakuto in existence.. That they all started as the empty shells. Just how many uninfluenced zanpakuto did the hollows collect for Arrancar to start showing up?.. I can accept aizen bringing a bunch for when he made arrancar, but the other ones..
And ichigo.. someone had an oversized uninfluenced zanpakuto laying around for when he got rukia's powers? If he had actually overwritten rukia's zanpakuto, then that means that none of the captains need to worry about loosing bankai since they can just pour their soul into a new zanpakuto, since rukia still has a fully functioning zanpakuto...
Arrancar do not USE asauchi or zanpakutoh - they start in released forms and shrink them into swords similar to how shinigami seal their shikai. But its not the same sword.
Ichigo took Rukia's sword and shaped it into his own. Even when he was awakening his own power at Urahara's he had broken hilt of that sword.
The difference with soul is that there might be NOTHING to POUR into asauchi after its broken. It has formed itself from part of user's soul, thus destroying a sword, would imply destroying that everything that defines the user's power.
Rukia did not "lose" her powers, she got her powers "depleted", she did not need to create them new ones, just like Ichigo after he lost his powers via FGT
I dont think he took rukias sword. Its an ambiguous topic, such as do souls receive their uniform when they become shinigami, or do they somehow get it when they become shinigami? He took her sword into his heart, she 'lost' her powers and went into her gigai. Like ichigo she doesnt carry her zanpakutou around until shes in soul form. I think ichigo miraculously got both his uniform and his sword as he became shinigami. The reason i think that is because once an asauchi has 'absorbed' (for lack of a better term) someones soul, it can't absorb anyone elses. Also, if he took her sword, how did she get hers back and he kept his? Guy said it takes a while of living with the sword for it to absorb their soul.
1. Rukia stabs Ichigo.
2. Portion of Rukia's reiatsu goes into him, mixes with untapped potential, awakening powers.
3. Rukia's "soul" leaves the sword she uses.
4. Ichigo uses the now empty Asauchi to create a makeshift piss poor nameless sword.
5. Rukia's gigai drains her reiatsu making her nigh powerless(but the whole of her power is in her), while Ichigo uses the part of her reiatsu he took with is innate abilities.
6. Byakuya shatters his makeshift sword and destroy the reiatsu he took from Rukia, leaving him powerless.
7. Ichigo goes into training and uses yet again powerless sword(in form of sword hilt) to shape Zangetsu.
8. Rukia after execution stuff ends just spends time in SS and most likely just transfers her powerset into empty asauchi, which is not that different form how Ichigo reawakened his powers with Urahara, but slower.
Now when sword is destroyed it destroys what is BOUND to that sword at the moment.
i have a theory about that guys question, regarding the zanpakutou. As i said before neither and heres why: When ichigo and aizen were in their final forms, both of their swordhands had fused with their zanpakutou. He mentions this as possibly being a higher state of being or something.
The guy (in mangastream translation) says that all they do is whack whack whack, that they swing the sword around as a tool. Maybe when they reach the next level, they fuse with the sword (thus becoming one with their 'soul', ergo the epic power boost). Also once they fuse with their zanpakutou and become one, your not so much swinging your sword as swinging your extra long arm (since its part of the person now)
mmm their zanpakutou is quite precious to them. I cant see them transferring souls all over the joint. I cant remember if Urahara gives him an asauchi or just the hilt of his sword that byakuya broke? Then itd be the same sword he had since rukia empowered him.
8. its not about transferring their powerset into a random inanimate object. The creator clearly states they have to spend a lot of time with the sword. Each sword would start from generic form, and shed have to go through the process again. Just because she knows her powers, doesnt mean the asauchi will automatically absorb her soul (am i using the right term?) that quickly. Its not like just picking up another sword like you or i would. If we were trained, any sword (of similar shape/style) would do. But for them its different. Why not just transfer their souls into a new asauchi instead of repairing the ones they have? Because once their soul is in there, its stuck in there.
- #48
kirby_422 said:
One thing that bugs me, is that he claims he created every single one of the zanpakuto in existence.. That they all started as the empty shells. Just how many uninfluenced zanpakuto did the hollows collect for Arrancar to start showing up?.. I can accept aizen bringing a bunch for when he made arrancar, but the other ones..
And ichigo.. someone had an oversized uninfluenced zanpakuto laying around for when he got rukia's powers? If he had actually overwritten rukia's zanpakuto, then that means that none of the captains need to worry about loosing bankai since they can just pour their soul into a new zanpakuto, since rukia still has a fully functioning zanpakuto...
Arrancar do not USE asauchi or zanpakutoh - they start in released forms and shrink them into swords similar to how shinigami seal their shikai. But its not the same sword.
Ichigo took Rukia's sword and shaped it into his own. Even when he was awakening his own power at Urahara's he had broken hilt of that sword.
The difference with soul is that there might be NOTHING to POUR into asauchi after its broken. It has formed itself from part of user's soul, thus destroying a sword, would imply destroying that everything that defines the user's power.
Rukia did not "lose" her powers, she got her powers "depleted", she did not need to create them new ones, just like Ichigo after he lost his powers via FGT
I dont think he took rukias sword. Its an ambiguous topic, such as do souls receive their uniform when they become shinigami, or do they somehow get it when they become shinigami? He took her sword into his heart, she 'lost' her powers and went into her gigai. Like ichigo she doesnt carry her zanpakutou around until shes in soul form. I think ichigo miraculously got both his uniform and his sword as he became shinigami. The reason i think that is because once an asauchi has 'absorbed' (for lack of a better term) someones soul, it can't absorb anyone elses. Also, if he took her sword, how did she get hers back and he kept his? Guy said it takes a while of living with the sword for it to absorb their soul.
