Bleach Chapter 471 Discussion

SagaraYuzuru said:
It's nice to see that the Fullbringers are being understood, at least by some people.



Well, it's kind of hard to relate with a bunch of bratty, selfish sociopaths, but if you did, good for you.

next chapter byakuya's fight finally

Yemi_Hikari said:
SagaraYuzuru said:
It's nice to see that the Fullbringers are being understood, at least by some people. I can understand what they are thinking, even if I never had in any way a life like theirs. But the past things was dealt with quickly, which is an improvement so that there is more time to concentrate on the present. I feel satisfied with this chapter.



I liked the background stories, to be honest. I am kind of expecting the Anime to turn the life stories into something bigger, because they are getting close to catching up with Tite Kubo again. That, or another session of filler episodes and/or filler arc.

Yes, unfortunately. I wished the anime would just take a break, like Gintama did before it aired a year later.

Ok. So I am still learning english( sorry for the grammatical mistakes) and i went on this page because I wanted to be sure of some things in this chapter. First of all , why is Rukia saying that the fullbringers are fighting alone and the shinigami are together? Shinigami also fight alone with their opponent. As I read here , shinigami are led by captains and captains by the first captain.This is their only bond. Just as Ginjo is ruling over fullbringers. And reading some post i saw that rukia is kinda hypocrite . I dont think so , in this chapater she is manifesting her ideas that you should remain with your friends . shinigamis cant save all the souls in this world, they do their best to save them. Also in this world good without bad cant exist, there are people living in poverty and some in wealth ( noble families in soul society), so you must do your best to overcome the poverty, bad etc. if you dont want to then you should stay how you are right now. A good example is renji who came from north district of rukongai( if i remeber well) or toshirou who is a captain.

From what i understood from this chapter i think the hypocrite one is riruka along with the fullbringers.they woke up with this awesome power and they took it for granted. they thought they could do anything . Why is she saying that they are scraps of weak meat? They are so because they wanted to be , they isolated themselv and now suddenly they think they are unjustified..lol they are emo kids:)). Moreover i diidnt understand the idea that they`re getting eaten beacause are too few.. Is this an allusion that they are the fair ones and the whole word is devious?They are being eaten because they`re weak and cant overcome thier issues;riruka is saying that the shinigamis are the predators that have loud voices and are incompetent ? Hope you can clear me up.Thanks

GrindPantera said:


- why ichigo has a hard time kicking ginjous butt? was the self confidence just fake, since one of his arms is  friggin burned (sorry last chapter this one..)



Because Ginjou has power? He is previous substitute shinigami who has FB powers who now has Ichigo's reiatsu and powers.

GrindPantera said:


- if we should feel sorry for the fullbringers?



Sympathize? NO.

Emphatize? Yes.



In essence, SS is just as bad as FBs, the difference is that FBs realize completely on that what they are doing is nothing that good or "noble"

GrindPantera said:


- why soul society helped ichigo regain his powers? is it really just because he helped the a lot?

Its obvious that there's more to it. We do not know badge's purpose, when that one captain from SS started to go into Ginjou's past, he as INTENTIONALLY interrupted by another one, as to not reveal to Ichigo stuff.



Its quite clear that we till don't see the whole picture.





GrindPantera said:


- where is urahara and ishhin??????!!!!!

Still planning something. They most likely know stuff readers still don't about this whole mess. They made sure to not be around this whole thing and most likely are bidding their time for whatever they expect to happen.



Inoue and CHad also were taken out of fight by them before they even showed their powerups., meaning kubo has other intentions for them to use their powers against.



GrindPantera said:
shinigamis from SS to be very evil that clears every mistake or problem they created by erasing the "enemy" from the picture

They are not exactly "evil". The system is. A lot of people in the ranks are genuinely nice people(ala Rukia) its just that the laws, honor, order and code they live by is incredibly flawed.



GrindPantera said:
That's why I hate Jama-Jii, he orders ichigo around even if ichigo made better decisions than them!

Yamaji is the typical conservative military leader. Nothing wrong with that.  He genuinely believes in those ideals he upholds and thats nice but does not change the fact that the ideals themselves are flawed.





niedude said:




If everyone individually is a peice of meat, then who are the predators?

Those who band together are predators. :) Thats the point Riruka makes.



SS are predators. Fbs are predators.



What makes one "predator" is his collective ability to work towards goals by using the collective power.



niedude said:


Analising each and every one, including oneself, as a weakling and going out of their way to show that they can't change this status quo is a HUGE example of an inferiority complex.



Because no one can change ANYTHING alone. This was implied in bleach since begining.



Tousen went against system. Lost. Fell.

Aizen went against Soul King. Eventually fell from his goal through pure isolation.

Hollows in HM due to their nature being unable to cooperate being what makes them non-threat to SS.

Urahara does not want to oppose SK purely because its pointless to try to change it.



EVEN this FB arc showed on how ALONE person can't do anything. Once you separate the flock, no matter the powers you obtain you are still alone and can't do anything without the impact upon others making it possible.

niedude said:


It is quite obvious Riruka has one right now, but if I may sidetrack a little let me just say I don't think any of the other FBers have one.



Riruka obviously has an inferiority complex in certain sense. But her anger at Rukia is understandable, since rukia's answer to her monologue was basically "TL;DR, trololol".



Every FB knows all to well how the whole arrogance, isolation, etc works. And they accept it as a fact.



niedude said:


Riruka says that the predators are the ones who band together and enforce their rule. That by itself is enough for me to rest my case, because it shows the full extent of her hypocrisy, since the FBers are trying to do the exact same in toppling Soul Society.

And I agree. The difference however is that FBers realize that. SS hypocritically sugarcoats their reason with honor, justice, protection and all that sweet crap. Thats why Riruka is angry.

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                        Continuation from the last chapter, a brief past about all members of Xcution except for Ginjou and Tsukishima.



And what happened at the end? Rukia's power being sucked by Riruka?

Most confusing Bleach chapter I've ever read. I even tried reading it backwards. Kubo can't do flashbacks, and no one cares about the fullbringers.



"UR DUR I KILLED MY WIFE JUST BECAUSE I COULD. FEEL BAD FOR ME."



"I DON'T LIKE TO TALK TO MY PARENTS WAAAAAAH!"



"I LIKE TO HIDE THINGS FROM PEOPLE MINE MINE MINE" <3







Not to mention they randomly get their powers because Kubo. He doesn't even explain shit.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I liked the chapter up to the part the flashback ended.



When Riruka started spouting pure blasfemy, saying how Fullbringers were the lowest of the low, I had to scrounge up all my strength to keep from headesking.



Really? Fullbringers are the lowest of the low?

Says the girl that kidnapped a 20 year old guy when she was seven, and only let him go after he had just about starved and feared for his life.



Humans are the lowest of the low in Bleach. They can be walking the street one quiet monday evening, and whooosh, they're eaten by an invisible monster and sent to SS before they even realize it.



If the FUllbringers are calling the Shinigami hypocrite, then the joke's on them. By enforcing this inferiority syndrome on themselves just to make them feel outcast, different, and closer to each other all the while having this "misunderstood" aura they are doing no better than when the Shinigame use their pride and station to justify their society.