Bleach Chapter 469 Discussion

WSJ cover representing an event that doesn't happen in this issue.

Colored front page only in black and white.

Byakuya forgets about Kido.

Tsukishima doesn't even try to mind control Byakuya.

Infodump during battles.

Rukia looks down on humans.

Rukia is completely helpless against an easy target.

Kubo's style, everyone! Why this is in first place again?

Fool!  A cabinet is NOT cute!



that's all i got.

Doll Rukia kinda cute honestly

icegenie said:
i seriously don't understand why people aren't digging this 'fullbring shit'.. maybe u smartasses have other better ideas on how ichigo can get his powers back?? Yes' and as what Fai mentioned, there are still tons of stories to be told. Kubo himself said that he has no plans to end Bleach any time soon.



Well, it would help if chapters weren't wasted on pointless training, which Ichigo didn't need to go through to get his Shinigami powers back.  All Ichigo needed to do was get stabbed with that Urahara's special sword, we didn't need to waste that much time on that.  There are many people who don't like this arc because of the poor execution of the story, plot, and character development (or lack of), that and the slow pacing (especially the start) made things worse.



icegenie said:
Also, it makes sense that Byakuya needs to have some space between him and the blades. Even when the blades are used for defence. Don't tell me the somehow Byakuya is all so powerful that blades can cut anyone else but him? We know that's not true since we saw Byakuya being cut by his own blades before.



http://www.mangareader.net/94-617-10/bleach/chapter-163.html.



There's not much space here, let alone 85 cm.



icegenie said:
And the famous trolling by Kubo.. misleading cover page. We have to wait awhile more before we see Byakuya owning Tsukishima.. ):



Well, it depends on how much longer this arc will be dragged out.

Machuran said:
icegenie said:
i seriously don't understand why people aren't digging this 'fullbring shit'.. maybe u smartasses have other better ideas on how ichigo can get his powers back?? Yes' and as what Fai mentioned, there are still tons of stories to be told. Kubo himself said that he has no plans to end Bleach any time soon.



Well, it would help if chapters weren't wasted on pointless training, which Ichigo didn't need to go through to get his Shinigami powers back.  All Ichigo needed to do was get stabbed with that Urahara's special sword, we didn't need to waste that much time on that.  There are many people who don't like this arc because of the poor execution of the story, plot, and character development (or lack of), that and the slow pacing (especially the start) made things worse.



icegenie said:
Also, it makes sense that Byakuya needs to have some space between him and the blades. Even when the blades are used for defence. Don't tell me the somehow Byakuya is all so powerful that blades can cut anyone else but him? We know that's not true since we saw Byakuya being cut by his own blades before.



http://www.mangareader.net/94-617-10/bleach/chapter-163.html.



There's not much space here, let alone 85 cm.



icegenie said:
And the famous trolling by Kubo.. misleading cover page. We have to wait awhile more before we see Byakuya owning Tsukishima.. ):



Well, it depends on how much longer this arc will be dragged out.



Congratulations on being yet another one who missed the point of Ichigo's training. It was not about new powerup.



AS for link, bad drawing angle, look at the panel below - the petals are in spherical formation around him, not entering close to him.

Machuran said:


So if shinigamis are there to protect humans, why did Kenpachi kill a human by cutting him in half a couple chapters ago?


Because that's the reason why we love Kenpachi.


I wonder what new technique is Byakuya gonna pull out, because if I realized correctly , that's the only way he can win.

icegenie said:
........ "pointless training" ? If it was just as easy to be stabbed in order to regain his shinigami powers, then i believe Kubo would have done so. Then wouldnt it just be a repeat of Chapter 1 all over again? That would be what I call "pointless". And of cos, we are still missing the part on Ichigo's hollow powers, which would complicate matters. Not yet to be discussed in the manga too, so I dont think we should be jumping into conclusion whether or not the training is "pointless".

>implying that Kubo plans ahead



Seriously, I'm not sure if Kubo will make another not-so-logical and impromptu explanation for this entire arc, but honestly it's quite obvious Kubo only introduced the shinigami and the regaining of shinigami powers in one chapter due to being stabbed was to increase Bleach's rating and to save it from being consistently in the bottom half.

Rukia... XD



and Byakuya... ugh, how will he show off now? o.o

The way they explain everything is just so annoying, well, I think it's time for me to get used to it.

Rukia and the cute things, was a masterpiece though.

I see the fullbring training for Ichigo as a way to speed up him regaining his reiatsu perception. Ginjo knew that Ichigo will get his powers back and wanted him to get it faster. He needed Ichigo reiatsu to feed himself and power up or to regain his old abilities. Ichigo fullbring is physical form of Ichigo reiatsu. Ginjo probably had no other way of taking the power from Ichigo. Ichigo power was put to sleep once again.



Here comes Rukia with spirit sword. She stabs Ichigo and transfers Reiatsu into his body. Ichigo regains lost reiatsu from FGT and Ginjo trick and awakens as Shinigami again. New looks might be side effect from fullbring / shinigami badge fusing with Ichigo soul.





About Byakuya and Tsukishima fight. I think that the no damage area was there long ago when Byakuya was young and inexperienced. Byakuya trained and countered it. Me think Tsukishima altered someone who trained with Byakuya. Someone who pointed all the errors in Byakuya technique. Making someone forget about something is probably basic ability of Tsukishima fullbring.

That is how I see it.

Well, at the end of the day, what's best for all of us Bleach readers (especially the haters) is to be patient and let Kubo finish this arc. All of the inconsistencies and mysteries this manga had will hopefully be answered. And then after that, all of you can judge if all of it are pointless or necessary; these fights, trainings or bullshits.



Then, if you prove that the whole "Fullbring" arc is pointless, stop reading Bleach! Don't waste all of your time spewing your hate. Actually, all of your "cries"  will not reach Kubo, and even if it will, there's no guarantee that he can understand what all of you are writing here (Well, given that all of Bleach's chapter titles are semantically incoherent.) However, if all of you haters want to go far as hating Bleach. Everyone of you can go to Japan, buy 50-100 copies of WSJ, and vote Jump's series except for Bleach. The only way to cancel this manga is to have it at the very bottom of WSJ rankings, and boycott buying Bleach's tankobon.



Well, my point is, let's not be too impulsive and brash, right? Patience, my dear, patience! It's as if all of you are being influenced by Ichigo, even though he's one of the reasons you hate Bleach. What an irony!

icegenie said:
Congrats on proving you lack reading comprehension.



Isshin is also using GT. Does that meant hat Engetsu is Zangetsu and has no other abilities? No.

GT is pretty much trademark of -getsu swords which we still have to learn about more. We don't know what else changed nor what additional powers Ichigo got.



Congrats on taking my words out of context, what I meant was Ichigo hasn't learned anything new, trademark or not, his objective for the Fullbring training was to get his Shinigami powers back, but fullbring had nothing to do with it.



icegenie said:
Excatly. I cannot understand what you mean by "We havent seen Zangetsu yet". After 400 over chapters, you still havent learnt that Zangetsu is the name of Ichigo's zanpakuto? Please refer to Chapter 460 and 461 to avoid any more humiliation. If you are talking about the Zangetsu Old man, I dont see any reason why he should appear any time soon either. I'm not sure about how you see it, but on the last page of Chapter 460, Zangetsu definitely looks different than previously seen.



Obviously I'm not talking about his zanpakto, as I've already mentioned, his sword is still the same as when the series started, you know the big one when he was fighting hollows.  Someone mentioned about seeing his hollow again, so seeing Zangetsu again isn't out of the question.



icegenie said:
Given the poetic style of Kubo, perhaps the "anti-fullbring clan" should give more thought to the story as a whole instead of calling it "pointless". Besides, I feel that there's still much more to be revealed. So why dont we wait for the whole story to be written and then judge whether the fullbring training was useless or not.



There's not much of a story, especially not in this arc.  This 1st half dealt with Ichigo trying to get his Shinigami powers back, which was pointless.  The 2nd half dealt with Shinigamis fighting Fullbringers without giving us any concrete reason or motivations as to why they're fighting.



icegenie said:
Anyway, I think whatever "unreasonable" event that happened in Bleach cant beat SOME OTHER manga's story of a 7 years' time skip but the characters were frozen in time during the 7 years so no change at all. This is what I call "pointless".



Except in Bleach it's still pointless, it's worse since it wasted almost a year on this pointless fullbring nonsense..  Ichigo did nothing but mope around about his power loss, nothing really changed, he didn't develop at all, he didn't mature, he didn't grow from his experiences.  His power loss was also pointless as it taught him nothing and served no purpose other than wasting time.