- #26
Convenience excuse of shonen genre with reinforcements arriving a bit latter, allowing the hero to develop a bit as character. A lot of what happened in that moment gave insight into who Ichigo is and just what a drug the whole having power is for him.
Except other Shonen series have better execution so it doesn't come off as lazy and half-assed. With Ichigo, his selfish desire for power only makes him a worse character than he already is, he's becoming more and more like Aizen, especially in terms of ridiculous transformations like his stupid looking Fullbring suit.
Machuran said:
Fai said:
Except that we:
1. Don't know how long the preparation works. For all we know the sword required one person per month reiatsu insertion or something. Also its quite clear that Urahara and Isshin was keeping tabs on the whole FB thing, since Ginjou is connected to Isshin in some way.
They could have avoided this situation by informing Ichigo about getting his powers back, 17 months is plenty of time, especially given Urahara's intellect.
Fai said:
Anything to back those opinions up?
Yes, the majority of this arc focused on Ichigo's powers back and fullbring had nothing to do with it. Any other sub plot was shoved aside in favor of these poorly handled fights.
Fai said:
We learned a lot about Ichigo as character, how he sees his powers and WHY he always rushes to protect others. We saw the darker side of that whole nature of his and we saw how the others around him feel.
What we learned is that Ichigo is a selfish, power-hungry moron. He trusted Ginjou over his own dad, he ditched his 2 sisters at home during his encounter with Tsukishima and ran away which betrays his whole 'protecting' mantra since he has no real goals, and he begged for his powers, not his friends or family.
Fai said:
And sorry? Learned nothing new? New doubts about SS arose for Ishdia, we have potential Isshin backstory and lots of other stuff like that, not to mention finally a background for Chad's powers.
All Uryu did was speculate, which was pointless because we still don't know Ginjou's motivations. Isshin's backstory is what this arc should have been, instead he's stuck dealing with Chad/Orihime with Urahara. Chad's power has had yet another explanation, so which is it? The Hogyoku or Fullbring? Aizen and the Fullbringers aren't exactly trustworthy.
Fai said:
And timeskip realistically developed every character who was there.
You mean apart from Kubo screwing Ichigo's friends and family from character development? Ichigo certainly hasn't developed, some characters have new hair styles.
Fai said:
would be fine and dandy if not for the fact that training itself and everything that happened in those chapters was not about giving Ichigo's powers back. But then again you missed that.
Except that's what Ginjou said, he said that's their whole purpose and that turned out to be a lie. If you paid attention, Ginjou said that right when Ichigo foolishly went into their hideout.
Fai said:
Are they attacking? are they moving? Did he place those petals there or did Ichigo push them back by the impact. The next panel shows a perfect sphere with empty range described in this chapter.
Except Ichigo defeated Byakuya using his bankai speed to counter Byakuya's petals and had some help from his hollow
Fai said:
And yet again you fail to bring any arguments into your repeatable repeat of same phrase.
Which is exactly what you're doing.
