Bleach Chapter 460 Discussion

amenboy972 said:
Hypno-girl said:


Oh please elaborate my dear,

What did I said in earlier thread that do contradict anything this chapter brought up? Let's hear you.



Whaaaaaaaaat  ?????????



Are you amnesic ???



I think you are taking the piss out of me



Excuse me to be harsh with you, I cannot waste my time with you ??

If you forgot your words, read the discussions on the two last chapters...

Or go see a doctor.



Typical guy that do not understand what people say.

You bring no point and only sarcastic remark because there is actually no point to find.

What I said hold no contradiction with what actually happened so I suggest you to bring point because you just sound like someone butthurt atm.



Han-yuu said:
Hypno-girl said:
Han-yuu said:
Why are you forgetting that Ginjou spared ichigo life before everyone came to help. Is that supposed to be help when your friend is in deep trouble and can loss his life? AND YOU KNOW HE"S IN TROUBLE. that is my point. if urahara and rest didn't know and someone ask them to help ichigo or he will loss everything and then suddenly everyone tried to help him with whatever they got. that would make more sense.



I want soul society to pay back after what ichigo did for them but suddenly pay back on crucial life and death situation happens in only shounen fight manga's, Well. this is just supernatural fiction after all.



Yes except that they purposely waited for Ichigo to have his fullbring stolen before acting. If Ginjou would have attempted a finishing strike then they would probably have acted before. Note how they came to help him when he started to beg for a fight with Ginjou when he was powerless, they acted because Ichigo wouldn't behave himself.

Well. that is just speculation unless Kubo explain in upcoming chapters.



Of course it is speculation, nobody can say for sure what will happen.



Some people were saying that the story do not makes sense, I provided them a speculation that would make everything that happened have sense. This way they cannot say that this does not make sense.

Against someone that say that there's is no way out I do not have the obligation to propose every way out possible, I just have to show one to destroy their theory

ElMorty said:
Okay Fai, I really don't get why you can't agree that the point of this arc was Ichigo getting his power back ... I think it's quite plain, actually: If the last arc finished with the main chara losing his power, the next one will lead to, or move through, or at least involve the main chara taking it back, one way or another.

I never ever talked about portrayals or any such complicated thing: in one arc the main chara loses his power, the next one(s) will be the arc(s) which he will get some power back. There's almost even no need of reading that(those) arc(s) to be sure about it ...

That is, put briefly, an "arc whose point is the main chara getting his power back" ...



no. This arc is about Isshin, kurosaki family and fullbringers, all of that unfolding while main character gets his powers back.

ElMorty said:


And if he can, why make it so tragic when he did use it losing his power?

To further him as character. Ever Since the very start we had this whole normal stuff and this arc so far gave us a lot of insight on why ichigo acts as he does and what power means to him.



ElMorty said:


Regarding your theory about SS being against Ichigo and Gotei 13 being split between those supporting him and those supporting SS's condamn: wow, those that Rukia's heard saying back then are very few words on which you are building your theory...



not split. Not talking civil war stuff. Those guys most likely did it secretly(giving ichigo powers back), hence the...secrecy about the whole thing.



We know SS is ruthless on those who pursue hollow power. Ichigo did that and we still do not know what badge is. He might have unknowingly did something way worse.



ElMorty said:


I mean, I've never had any reason to think that SS was the bad guys: Aizen was quite a badass foe, with wrong principles, whereas SS represented order, even though in a rather strict way ... What reason do you have to think it's the other way around? O___O



SS in itself is based around medieval japan, which in itself was highly nationalistic authoritarian regime.

Going by shonen logic and genre, aizen represents change, urahara represents stagnation and gotei 13 represents conservative views.



Aizen had a very right(by shonen genre ideals) ideals - one should try to change the world according to how one sees it as injust or wrong.



Urahara on other hand takes passive approach - changing the world is pointless, impossible, you should not even try and give up.



What Aizen had was wrong means, which fits with fallen hero trope. He had a great goal, but he lost the rightful road towards it.









ElMorty said:
( also, why should the soul king "aka the thing that is connected to the entire universe" be the bad guy? .-. )



Because the mere sight of that thing turned Aizen from generic genius into a madman on road of changing the world? Because of by what was implied, a man of Urahara's intellect should have been horrified by the Soul King and wanted to change how things are - something Urahara did not disagree with, instead of pointing out that such actions would be pointless.



Also. color spread of chapter 428, depicting the "path" of Ichigo's battles. (in the spoiler below)




The opponents Ichigo defeated are looking towards the viewer and lined in the row of order in which they were faced. Both Ichigo and Aizen however are  looking towards same direction away from the viewer towards something which is a huge shadow way way above them





A last question: which arc was kurakara's? Gotei 13 vs Aizen and his espadas?

Aizen's road from the start of karakura battle to his defeat and dialogue lines, design, and things he survived, one can see very prominent motifs like spearing of jesus christ, lucifer's fall from grace(his six-winger "seraphim-like" form becoming into a "beast with seven heads" who then gets bound till the promised day). Heck even espada fits the whole thing of "devil buying those in mankind and engraving his numbers upon them" stuff.



Then we have the ongoing motiffs of divinity/sun-cross on Aizen and Ichigo designs (swastika is divinity or divine right, same as the sun cross, the symbol aizen had on his chest)

eh only good thing was seeing the shinigamis again. this whole arc just seems pointless if they were going to help him regain his powers anyway. Ginjou and the other loser seem so outclassed at this point.

Holy fuck that was an awesome chapter. The look as that cockbite's face was priceless.

so now the main villain is tsukishima if he doesnt die? ya, appears that way

Linkark07 said:
Shuu-chan will escape for sure. I doubt he will fight against Ichigo now.





Yaa i think so too... and i bet Ginjou booth pissed and craped he´s pants at that last attack xD

Bleach Chapter Discussion -thread is my weekly movie. And I'm on the V.I.P seats, yeaaah baybe !!

Hypno-girl said:
Han-yuu said:
Why are you forgetting that Ginjou spared ichigo life before everyone came to help. Is that supposed to be help when your friend is in deep trouble and can loss his life? AND YOU KNOW HE"S IN TROUBLE. that is my point. if urahara and rest didn't know and someone ask them to help ichigo or he will loss everything and then suddenly everyone tried to help him with whatever they got. that would make more sense.



I want soul society to pay back after what ichigo did for them but suddenly pay back on crucial life and death situation happens in only shounen fight manga's, Well. this is just supernatural fiction after all.



Yes except that they purposely waited for Ichigo to have his fullbring stolen before acting. If Ginjou would have attempted a finishing strike then they would probably have acted before. Note how they came to help him when he started to beg for a fight with Ginjou when he was powerless, they acted because Ichigo wouldn't behave himself.

Well. that is just speculation unless Kubo explain in upcoming chapters.