Bleach Chapter 460 Discussion

An epic chapter, but this entire arc still doesn't please me. Just gonna rough it out till it ends.

Hypno-girl said:
BlackStonesBLAST said:
Yes ofc thats true but think about this when he fought aizen he did 200 years worth of training in 20 min i think it was? if im not wrong.. and that was also becuse he was gonna use the final getsuga tensho.. but yaa maybe he´s weaker maybe he´s stronger i dont know, but i think and hope he is stronger then when he lost to ichimaru and aizen when they fighted in the fake karakura town.



anyway we will know in the next chapter i hope :)



If I recall correctly he did something like 10 years of training in 1h.

Also shinigami existed for centuries and not once a (known to us) shinigami reached Ichigo's strengh let forget in ten years of training.

You guys both just lost all credibility in your arguments. I mean hell, I barely even pay attention to the manga anymore, and even I can get the time's right. Ichigo trained for 2000 hours in his spirit world, and it took up 1 hour in the dangai world. Seriously, pay attention.

Hypno-girl said:
Dangai-Ichigo is not a form, people should get that out of their mind. It is not something that he can use, it is something that he became.

It is when Ichigo achieved total control over his Zanpakuto, he didn't got more powerfull, he just fully controled the power he had which was enormous since the very start.

Ichigo is still at Dangai level.

Well, let's wait and see whether you are right or I am ... I can't say I'm certain ^^

(the only one thing I say is that if he is "still at Dangai level", then:

Morty said:
Again, saying that a technique is so powerful because you can pull it off just once in your life and and lose your fighting ability after that, and then making it easy to use a second time after less than 40 chaps is quite lame .... )



Regarding your theory about gotei 13 members' reaction to a hypothetical SS condemn against Ichigo: again, nicely thought! It works out nicely, so you're true when you say it's all about logic!

Still, I've been reading Beach for more than 5 years now, I now it's not much, but I haven't grown any sort of trust towards Kubo yet ... Thus I'll say again that I'll wait and see what Kubo has in mind for next chapters before I pronounce myself ...

If you were right, it would make this arc a very good one ...

It's an if, though! ^^

(even more because as you said you're theory is 10% speculation based on facts explicitly shown during this arc (i.e. Rukia's voice back then) and 90% logic, and as I said I don't trust Kubo to be that capable of developing a plot based on a logical sense)



Still hoping that my opinion on this arc and on this mangaka can change! ^^

Fai said:

Arashi89 said:
Yamamoto was seething with rage against Aizen right from the start of the battle of Fake Karakura;

Thats rage. not hatred. Fits with the idea of character. Yamaji has no personal reason to support Ichigo or to hate Aizen. And I am pretty sure that whatever he feels, his regard to honor the laws of his lieges and bushido code negates any of it as unimportant.



Arashi89 said:


I'm sure that Kira,

He had more unresolved stuff for Gin than Aizen. And yet again no outright real hate.  NO bloodlusted kill intent.



Arashi89 said:
  Hisagi and Komamura

You seriously are comparing the death of one's friend to being made to stab the person you hold dearest? you can't be serious.



Arashi89 said:
Shinji hated Aizen, but also every single Vizard for condemning them to exile;

But only Shinji did Aizen outsmart completely.

Aizen used other vaizards.

Aizen played around and in sense, humiliated Shinji. Not comparable.



Arashi89 said:


and Ichigo's friends, well, Ulquiorra was an espada, i.e. Aizen's lackey, and we all know what he did to Orihime.



And Orihime came unharmed completely out of all that.  Even though we do not know what ELSE did he do to her(ongoing plotpoint).



Aizen was just another enemy. Ichigo probably felt more hatred for Byakuya than Aizen back then.



Aizen only started to try to give Ichigo reason's to despise him during fkt.

Arashi89 said:


The only ones that could consider him just a plain rouge shinigami would be the marginal members of the SS, but seeing the massacre he did there I'm sure it became personal.

Erm. no. as of above. no.





Regarding Hisagi and Komamura, I never meant anything like that. I was simply referring to the fact that Tosen betrayed them, not comparing what they felt when he died. Infact, I'm trying to make the point that Aizen, by acting like a cliched villain, was alienating everyone from him.



I don't even know why everyone thinks that Aizen is some sort of fallen hero trying to subvert the Soul King's government. Let's just assume that he's some sort of "freedom fighter", why he acted like he was the ultimate evil? If you want to start a revolution, you should gather pepole with the same ideals as yours, and when Aizen declared his intention no one else outside Gin and Tousen wanted to follow him. Considering also the fact that the Soul King is completely unimportant to SS government, what will change by replacing it?

Also, Aizen said that he will kill the Soul King, but this doesn't absolutely mean that he's well intentioned. Remember that he values the power as the most important thing in the world, like any good cliché villain. If he ever becomes the Soul King, his rule will be even worse than the actual.

Uh that was retarded.

Another banger chapter!!

wowowowow

how about this fullbringers is connected to aizen??

and ss come to the world to destroy them

while giving ichigo some power

and together fight with them

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and how about this ginjo guy knows about ss = why he knows about the badge??

the badge maybe have some secret power that we dont know yet which ginjo wants

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cool cool cool cool cool

ikaku - dont grow hair LOL

kenpachi - hope he got bankai (will be epic) and does he still wear his eyepatch??

hitsugaya - cool hair,, some of you still arguing why he's there,, everybody needs some attention u know,, maybe kubo wants to show his power or sumting well we never know...

byakuya - nice hair without the accesories, his eyes is black???

renji - oooo his face like his the captain now huh! damn epic man

between the five of them renji is the most epic

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maybe.... just maybe

there will be fullbring vs shinigami like 1 on 1

eg renji vs tell time no lies or dirty boots vs hitsugaya

maybe shinigami will gain the upper hand bcoz they got ichigo

but... man im just guessing u know

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i know this seems ridiculous but.....

I WANT THE VAIZARDS!!!!!



who knows maybe they also got some connection

but also... i just guessing man...

Ok, Bleach has returned to its old ways:

*Ichigo regains his power with the help of Plotkai after receiving a major asskicking;

*Rukia acts like a stereotypical tsundere;

*loved characters make a comeback only to be never seen again in the next chapters (except Hitsugaya, of course. He'll have 5 chapters dedicated to him);

*the villain exclaims:"No! Impossible! My plans have failed!";

*Ichigo's power level is over 9000 (even though they said he could never regain them ever again)

*And the only thing that Kubo can draw are blank white spaces.



So, what's the lesson that we learned in the Fullbring saga? Never change anything. Change scares pepole and if you do that they will even try to end your beloved work prematurely. But on the bright side, you can still keep the 3/10 that you gave ages ago, you can even drop it if you want to.

It's not that this will change anything.