Fairy Tail Chapter 491 Discussion

badlands9 said:
This chapter is actually quite interesting if i say so myself. First Gajeel is alive, second, Zera is 'revived' but temporarily, and lastly Irene finally sees Erza (or her hair to be more precised).



I have a theory that Irene is probably Erza's older sister then her mom, i mean like she seems a little to young to be her mother doesn't she? Also, if you look at the title of chapter 492 it's 'Older sister and Younger sister', so i feel like it's gonna concentrate on Erza and Irene.



As for Zera, i actually like the idea of her being 'revived' even if it's for a short time, Fairy Tail do need an extra help.  But doesn't Mavis always thinks of her? She probably does remember her too, so i find it a little weird. i don't know. I also knew that Gajeel wasn't dead, i mean Hiro did say that Fairy Tail WILL have a happy ending. And i'd also like to see Levy's reaction when she sees him.



Age is not perfectly reflected by appearance. You should know that already or is Zeref not proof enough?

frostmourn said:


Actually Gajeel did get a LOT of development.



1. Laxus arc

2. Tenrou arc

3. Tartarus arc

4. Alvarez arc (now)



Erza had development only in tower of heaven (and possibly a little amount in GMG vs kagura)



Well, what´s a little and what´s alot, you can argue that whenever Erza had a confrontation with Jellal there was development.



I don´t deny that Gajeel is more developed than some MC´s but it´s not that much either. He went from being a bad boy to being a good boy and he fell in love. I also think that the whole storyline with the old lady during Tartaros was kinda asspulled because imo his original reason for joining was sufficient.  Makarov saw potential in the boy. Of course it was tied together through the old council lady making the claim towards Makarov, but it was something the story could have dealt without. Nonetheless he´s a well written character for FT standards. He has chapters like 488. but he also has chapters like 443 and we know barely anything about his past. He´s a potential candidate for having an awesome backstory, but I don´t see who could tell it at this point.

metsujin said:
short_review said:
For me good Fairy Tail stopped at chapter 130 so ... but since it was one of my first manga/anime I'm still trying to finish it.



I was really disapointed after the Luxus arc by the absolute lack of character development and the fact that we didn't care anymore for the main quest.



At first there was

2 very small arcs to introduce the tandem Lucy + Natsu

+ 1 arc to create the team Erza + Natsu + Lucy + Gray

then character development

for Gray : Galuna

for Lucy : Phantom Lord (introducing Gajeel, tormented but good character) + Loki small arc + Love & Lucky

for Erza : Tower of heaven

for Luxus : Battle of Fairy Tail



So at that moment I thought "ok the 4, 5 or 6 main chars have been introduced and everyone has a background it's time to move to the plot and go looking for that dragon". So I imagined Mashima would have Natsu and Lucy take their backpacks and travel Fiore and have adventures and we would discover the map of Fiore and its geography and we would be introduced to new ennemies and allies that would play a role all along the story.



But no ! From this moment Natsu completely forgot about dragons and he only did "what he was asked to do". Where is the feeling of adventure here??



For 3 consecutive arcs and half of the 4th one the main plot did not progress. That's 200 chapters that we did spend

- introducing a loli

- introducing the most annoying character of the manga : Carla

- introducing other guilds (good point here)

- resurrecting Lisanna and destroying a part of what made the Elfman / Mirajane an interesting duo

- getting rid of Mystogan's ... mystery?

- introducing a boring character : Mest

- introducing the biggest copycat ever : Not Shanks

- introducing the most bored, boring and pointless ennemy ever : Zeref

- doing the most useless timeskip ever



And suddenly Dragons coming from the celestial gate ! GUYS THERE ARE DRAGONS IN THIS STORY REMEMBER 300 CHAPTERS AGO ?!



Then we had chapter 342 : "The beginning of a new adventure", and I was like "will this story care for the plot again hopefully ?"  The village of the sun felt like "adventure" and it was cool (and I gave it really good rating) but soon enough Tartaros and ... "IGNEEL IS HERE GUY ! IGNEEL IS HERE ! ... IGNEEL IS DEAD ! ! "... so much for the main quest ... we never looked for Igneel and not only that but he doesn't even get his own arc and gets killed immediately ... who wrote this?







So the main point of this story is not to accomplish the quest introduced in chapter 1 but to defeat a bored teenager who was introduced in the Tower of heaven in volume 10.



Yeah !



ok I'm reading for fanservice



You make some good points, but Fairy Tail's story was never about Natsu finding Igneel, that was his personal goal. The story of Fairy Tail is about a group of people and their adventures. Plus many times its implied that Natsu searched for Igneel, also if you look at the arcs he can't really (talking about Natsu) search for his foster father since there's shit happening right now, he's not a 'selfish' person to just leave everyone and go look for Igneel, that's just the way he is.



After the Tower of Heaven arc, the dragons say they won't interfere with the humans and come out when they're most needed, so by that time (when you still liked it), you knew they would appear eventually, and Mashima foreshadowed it pretty well. Also after the Tower of Heaven arc, Wendy was foreshadowed too, so you knew she would come. Zeref too was mentioned a couple of times before introduced and he wasn't anything like how people described him to be.



I get your points, and some of them are understandable like Carla she's very annoying, Lisanna return was unecessary, Mystogan was cool but I personally didn't care too much about him, Gildarts... I do like him, and there's no denying his character is inspired by Shanks (design wise, tho different traits and personalities) but he was also mentioned before introduced.



The first time skip is really rubish and if Mashima killed Makarov off there, I think things would've gotten more interesting, and it would eventually lead to the current arc (I don't know how he would've introduced the Eclipse, because that's a  key point in what the story is now).



For me Fairy Tail got disappointing in the GMG arc, same with many people. Tartaros was better, and now we have this arc which is about the same as GMG, average and such. I don't know I get why people dislike FT, but also get why they still love it, I'm pretty much in the middle... so yea.



I'd say Gildartz has a similar personality to Shanks.

Isterio said:
frostmourn said:




What I said was exactly what happened in the manga. See:

http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/488/3455/5





Pokemon is like tom and jerry lol, you aren't meant to take them seriously. Death never happens except in movies in Pokemon

And what I did was explain why you can´t blame the resent developments for breaking the rules.You may hate it for other reasons, but that´s personal.



Pokemon was just a move comparision.  Conceptual the move "explosion" and Bradmans final magic are probably the same. If you don´t like the example. It´s the same as Deidara´s final C4 where he eats his own clay to become the explosion.



It´s even compareable to the point where Sasuke used spatial distortion to avoid the attack. In this case Irene is Manda.



Did you read the page in the link?



What do you infer from that?



And yes, it's personal. I actually wouldn't have minded an asspull at the end of the series, but why now? He just died 2 chapters back 😠

They pulling the , this opponent too op, lets make her in secret family to one of the main characters and switch her side.

frostmourn said:




Did you read the page in the link?



What do you infer from that?



And yes, it's personal. I actually wouldn't have minded an asspull at the end of the series, but why now? He just died 2 chapters back 😠



I read the whole chapter in two different translations not just the page!



That Gajeel was brought back through a legitimate way!



Well that´s the only fault you can blame FT for, it´s nonetheless not a plothole, other Shounen do it too and FT has done it in the past, there´s no reason for Hiro to stop doing it or for people to expect otherwise. Fact is, Gajeel being alive makes perfect sense and arguebly is less of an asspull than Jellal´s return into the story, which was in your beloved part one.

frostmourn said:
Jarjaxle said:
So....Gajeel was not competently dead but was in moving between real life and underworld....So in other Words...Eileen just activated her Magic on right time...and He got Seriously LUCKY....Well...Acceptable reason...I am OK with that. Not that Much of Bullshit reason...even if I think People will Disagree vehemently....



Lol...and after that confession...Gajeel is embarrassed! XD

and that also activated the Zera Memory...and Summoned her back from Underworld huh... I DON'T F***ING CARE IF PEOPLE SAY THAT IS REAL ZERA!!!! I SAY THIS IS HER SOUL THAT LIVES INSIDE THE ILLUSION MAVIS MADE!!!! THIS IS REAL ZERA AND THAT IS END OF THAT!!!!!



and Complete Massacre of the Fiore Royal Guard....I and Everybody else Knew that These Guys did not seriously stand a Chance... Respect for them tough, for doing their Duty Admirably and for not running. and Meeting between Eileen and Erza...In next chapter...Caesar Mark, CAESAR MARK!!!



....and Looks like what ever happened with Erza and her caused her to spit on Parents-Childs love in what she did to Hisui is any confirmation. King is real parent tough.



Well Zera has some MAgic huh....Telepathy...



on top of being taken to the underworld, it was said that Gajeel's body became disintegrated by magic barriers.



Just reminding you that this made ZERO sense.



Moreover, why is Bradman not back? I know, no one cares to bother........



Good point about Bradman because he basically did the same thing that happened to Gajeel when he dispersed himself into particles, so he should technically be back too. Nice call on that.

Seriously... I did not buy that Gajeel dying shit and I know everyone who knows Mashima's piece of crap storytelling expected it too... but damnn he could have at least waited a couple of more chapters lol.