Fairy Tail Chapter 491 Discussion
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- #59
Little and lot relates to the impact that I felt and made in the story. Lol, guess it's just personal.
At least the old lady had an impact later on in the story, Gajeel joined the council. It didn't feel like an asspull to me, gajeel being the dumbass he is most probably got arrested multiple times and it's only believable that at least someone there tried to correct him, contrary to the mommy scarlet who outta nowhere came saying she's comparable to August.
Forgot to add Erza letting Jellal get captured at the end of OS arc, but that's about all I think for Erza.
And Erza isn't even the least developed of the MC (looking at Natsu, wendy and Lucy-Aquarius was BS, she left her to die multiple times and tried to kill her multiple times, her being close to Lucy was forced AF)
Edit: actually Erza is very developed TBH, just that doesn't change her from being the one dimensional character she is during ALL fights
Well, glad that we got to the same conclusion. It´s opinionbased what people value. For example, to some seeing toddler Wendy alongside Mystgun, in a flashback, was more valueable development, than the entirety of Tower of Heaven. Mostly pedophiles and people who like cute girls imo.
All I´m saying regarding Irene is, we gotta wait, don´t junmp the gun.
Erza has alot of more development, it´s only her fights that keep repeating themselves, which they didn´t do initially. in Erza vs Erza she was legitimately mad and during OS she was just OP without being pushed to the brink to revive. She legitimately won like other Shounen MC´s, but she also showed enough dedication to sacrifice an arm for a mission to suceed, that would prevent civilians from harm, not just her guild. It was similar to Laxus breathing in the Anti magic barrier particles.
Lucy had some very good development with Loke and her Dad. Sure the Aquarius plot was horseshit, I didn´t feel anything during the whole incident and it was reversed anyway, but there was development before that. Her breaking down because of her dysfunctional relationship with her father,that died just at they came to terms with was interesting. Again no one is perfect.
Personally I´d put Natsu and Wendy at the bottom tier among the Mc´s, in terms of development. Wendy actually the farthest down, because it was a slow progress and it only was, her getting confident in her abilities. We knew her cat was her BFF but it seems to be Hiro´s only storyline for her. Cat and Wendy love each other, Cheria is her friend, she becomes confident in herself.
- #60
Cejara said:
I remember the whole Tenrou thing, but to be honest I don't remember much of the GMG and on, since its been a while, so I am probably more tolerant to it because I just forgot lol. Either way I am here to finish this series, so I have to be a tolerant of the bullshit in a way. I didn't think Tartarus was that bad honestly. I want to say GMG had some pretty decent fights too that weren't too ass-pullish xD although I remember not liking the knight fights (under the castle).
The one shots specifically started during Daimatou Enbu, before that it´d happen occasionally like Phantom Lord and Erza vs the Wind S class mage. Or Erza vs Nightmare. The difference was that Erza at this point was broken and those enemies never managed to put up much of a fight without using underhanded techniques and although exhausted she never got hurt, while other weaker characters had their struggles, which made them exciting to watch.
Tenru Island had two I remember. First Natsu and Zancrow which I called out when it was released, the second was Erza vs Azuma where "she´s Erza" started.
But it was overshadowed through the plot progression and Gray had a good fight.
Daimatou Enbou consisted mostly of raw fighting and it began really promising, it had it´s huge setup and the first legitimate fight of Elfman vs Bacchus was suspenseful and well done. It was after this fight where it became horseshit and Hiro frocefed the audience with everything that FT gets criticized for, which he continued doing with the occasional good chapters.
Well I know for sure that Erza is a broken character because he wrote her poorly in terms of plot (not character development though). I did like most of the fights on Tenrou Island though (besides Melodi's), I just didn't like the whole Acnologia thing in which it ended out which seemed completely out of the blue and random that they were saved by the barrier at the last second.
- #61
badlands9 said:
This chapter is actually quite interesting if i say so myself. First Gajeel is alive, second, Zera is 'revived' but temporarily, and lastly Irene finally sees Erza (or her hair to be more precised).
I have a theory that Irene is probably Erza's older sister then her mom, i mean like she seems a little to young to be her mother doesn't she? Also, if you look at the title of chapter 492 it's 'Older sister and Younger sister', so i feel like it's gonna concentrate on Erza and Irene.
As for Zera, i actually like the idea of her being 'revived' even if it's for a short time, Fairy Tail do need an extra help. But doesn't Mavis always thinks of her? She probably does remember her too, so i find it a little weird. i don't know. I also knew that Gajeel wasn't dead, i mean Hiro did say that Fairy Tail WILL have a happy ending. And i'd also like to see Levy's reaction when she sees him.
Age is not perfectly reflected by appearance. You should know that already or is Zeref not proof enough?
I'm just stating my opinion. But Zeref is also proof.
- #62
Tbh, Erza is as one dimensional as Natsu is. "Touch my friends, you'll pay for it", the only time I see something different from her is when Jellal is around.
Sure, she got massive development in tower of heaven (and few minor developments related to Jellal, like oracion sies and kagura), but after that she's all the same too. Compare that to Grey or gajeel, she looks pale.
Yeah, agree that August > Eileen, it has been said multiple times in the manga too. But the problem is she's on the same league as August and that's forced AF cause makarov nor anyone even mentioned her until that point (482/483). Can't believe makarov didn't even hear about such a powerful and famous person after collecting info from Alvarez over an year. That's enough proof to see that she was NOT planned.
Hiro can stop redeem if he plays the cards right and not have erza solo this bitch with her BS armour that bends laws. Jellal taking her out would be much better since he's also important to Erza and the relations shall play out; moreover by hype him being Eileen level is also understandable.
LMAO at the analogy, though fairy tail used to give lots of gold before GMG and after that it's mostly shit.
That´s the biggest flaw all of the FT cast has character wise. Whenever it comes to the guild they spout about how "important" it is to them. That being said though, all of them seperate into several groups that value each other differently. Some of them keep consistently hanging around and do work together, while they only beat each other up with others.
There is just no way they´d go to the same lenghts for each individual member.
People could argue against my argument by claiming how the "bonding" was made or keeps being refreshed off screen, but fact is, we never got it confirmed and it wasn´t even implicated.
Back to Erza. I do agree that Grey is among the most developed characters, but take a look at the why. Because of his interactions with characters outside the guild that don´t limit him. The same sources Erza and Lucy got their development from. I also don´t see how Gajeel of all people is more developed than her storywise. He´s the Vegeta of this story but nothing else aside from his relationship with Levi, which was only recently confirmed. If you compare it to his state as a sidecharacter then yes, because he had by far more than Natsu or Wendy.
Makarov not knowing is just convenient Shounen storytelling. But it has a decent explanation. They had him as a hostage, which doesn´t mean that he was completely free to roam around. It explains how he couldn find out much details. It´s just the typical terrible plan plotline, that makes the idiot MC save the day, because everything the smart guys could do was meaningless, nothing worse than other Shounen. She could still have been planned. Remember when Silver was introduced and turned out to be Greys father? It was out of nowhere too, especially considering how convenient it would have been for Tartaros to go into the destroyed village, revive the corpses and leave without ever encountering Ul and leaving Deliora be to do his thing, when he could have been a useful asset to them. His only foreshadowing was the giants village and his design.
If my theory comes true, Irene could have been foreshadowed since Tower of Heaven. No this is not exxagerating, Hiro Mashima foreshadowed the Dragons in the Children during the Laxus arc and they were 300+ chapters apart.
- #63
I get your points, and some of them are understandable like Carla she's very annoying, Lisanna return was unecessary, Mystogan was cool but I personally didn't care too much about him, Gildarts... I do like him, and there's no denying his character is inspired by Shanks (design wise, tho different traits and personalities) but he was also mentioned before introduced.
It´s kinda dick move that OP fans constantly give Hiro shit just because Gildarts has a similar hair color to Shanks. Which is a fuckup to begin with as he´s red shanks and not brunette shanks so the color should be more pronounced.
Mashima has two designs resmbling Gildarts that predate him. One became Laxus the other Gildarts.
- #64
The sound I made when I saw Gajeel was still alive was not human xD
Why did people think Gajeel was--you know, what, forget it. Mashima could kill Natsu and FT fans would start crying because...Fairy Tail fans.
Kudos to you, Hiro, for STILL making your 'deaths' believable to some...
- #65
Cejara said:
I mean i understand that and all but Mashima seems to be using that awfully alot lately where it negatively impacts the story. Its not just about the character deaths, but the convenient 1 hit ko's on enemies or asspulls that have been happening recently. It just seems he needs to lay off the clutch a bit on that writing device because it is showing how much the fans of FT are getting fed up with it. I know FT is a story that isn't supposed to be grim and all, but for example Gajeel he could have not killed him off and it would of made it a whole lot better because he was brought back in 2 chapters anyways. Things like that seem pointless and is polarizing the FT readers.
You must be either new to Fairy Tail or just way more tolerant towards the bullshit. The bullshit started happening from Tenrou Island onwards and reached it´s pinnacle during the Daimatou Enbou, from there on on he holds back occasionally, but the oneshots and the asspulls didn´t become any worse.
I remember the whole Tenrou thing, but to be honest I don't remember much of the GMG and on, since its been a while, so I am probably more tolerant to it because I just forgot lol. Either way I am here to finish this series, so I have to be a tolerant of the bullshit in a way. I didn't think Tartarus was that bad honestly. I want to say GMG had some pretty decent fights too that weren't too ass-pullish xD although I remember not liking the knight fights (under the castle).