Vampire Knight Chapter 92 Discussion

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Hmm...Hino-sensei said she knew how VK is going to end from the beginning,and since the LT was important to her,I'm pretty sure she chose the canon ship from the start (She didn't want it to be obvious though,at least for the first arc).

I agree with Raivon_shinobi. After the first arc,Yume stood out cause after PB Yuuki's awakening Zeki had to fix their friendship first.But chapters kept coming out and the Zeki relationship didn't progress even though with Kaname gone there was a great opportunity. They ran out of time. Even before the sex scene which was a surprise,Yume stood out and at that time everyone was sure Kaname is going to die. At least right now,with the latest chapter,Kaname might stay alive at the end.

I still don't agree with the "Lapdog" part. Zero was a lapdog in the first arc,even though the whole arc was about him. Now he is making his own choices. Even if he is going to help Kaname,who used him he is still making his own choice! ^-^
 
  • #67
Randomxxxx said:
I don't understand why people think this way. Just because Kaname loves Yuuki doesn't mean she can't move on after his death. Killing Kaname now is the best option for the manga

You are just thinking about Zero. We can not ignore Yuuki's feelings. As the heroine of the story she swore to save Kaname (Such a selfish heroine XD). What if she wouldn't succeed? I know many zekis hate her now but we still can't ignore her feelings.

Kaname can't live without Yuuki but want's to die cause he belives he wouldn't be able to bring her hapiness.

Zero finally decided to be true to his feeling and now puts Yuuki's hapiness before his.(I'm so proud *sob*).

Yuuki???? Personally I have no idea. I don't know what is in her mind. I just know that as the heroine of the story it would be very weird if she fails. O_O

Other than that the preview of next chapter was kinda promising. I always believed Kaname is going to die but now I have hope.

I don't want anyone to die. *sob*

oh,and the rest of your comment is just Zeki bitterness which is disrespectful to Yume fans.^__~
 
  • #68
Ana93 said:




I really, really agree with your definition of forgiveness.  Forgiveness is a gift you give to yourself, not to the other person.  That's why I want to see Zero's actions in the last chapter as personally liberating for him, I really do.  And I do think on some level they are, but my problem is that I think it's only on a very superficial level.  Enough to make us feel like Zero has just had a major breakthrough (when really the whole purpose of the speech was to give Yuuki a happy ending, not to truly evolve Zero as a character).



Part of the problem is that I think there wasn't enough build-up to Zero's forgiveness speech to make it seem natural, and not something the author was forcing onto the character.  Characters either have a major change of heart because something big happens to them and it triggers a change in their thinking, or there's a slow build-up to it with lots of little things happening before they finally change their minds.



In Zero's case, Kaname didn't come to him and apologize, which would have been a major event that encouraged Zero to forgive him.  Up until he got his memories taken away, Zero was helping Yuuki chase him down, so there wasn't gradual build-up to it either.  Only a short amount of time has passed in the manga (a couple of weeks maybe?) since he found out that Kaname plotted for his family to die, and he didn't take the news all that well at the time.  So there was no chance for him to gradually decide to forgive Kaname either.  He's been gradually accepting vampires this whole time, but accepting vampires is not the same thing as forgiving Kaname.



I think the main reason why he forgave Kaname in this chapter has nothing to do with Zero's own feelings.  It's because Kaname is going to die and poor Yuuki will be all alone!  (God forbid she should have to stand on her own two feet for once in her life.)  And Yuuki's happiness is more important than Zero's own feelings.



Most of what Zero said to Kaname had to do with Yuuki, in fact.  The bit about him making his own choices was only tacked on at the very end of his speech.



And that's the other part of the problem: If the majority of the speech had been about Zero himself, and how he had come to this realization and was moving on, then yes, absolutely, I would agree with you that this was a decision he was making for himself and for his own good, and I would be at peace with the decision.



But almost everything he said was Yuuki, Yuuki, Yuuki:  Kaname doesn't think he has a right to be with her, but his actions are hurting her, she will be sad if he's not around, so come protect the school for her sake, and BTW, Zero is doing this because he wants to.  His speech ultimately had more to do with encouraging Kaname to live than it did with Zero's choice to move on from his hatred.



So that's why, to me, what Zero said was indeed more for Kaname's sake than for his own.  Or should I say, for romance's sake than his own.  If Kaname lives, then Yuuki ends up with a guy at the end of the manga, and that's what this manga truly cares about.  (Obviously not its plot or characterization.)



Well yeah, I agree with you there too,  the scene was just sort of slapped on there to give some sort of closure to it but it really was not satisfying where I felt Zero or Kaname or Yuuki had changed much at all, she is just winding things up but not to most readers real satifaction.   Like she built characters up and then doesn't finish with them and Zero is no exception to that even though he got a lot more than the poor night school characters who are just back like an after thought instead of woven into the second half of the story.
 
  • #69
obviouslygeeky said:
2rsa said:
Randomxxxx said:
I don't understand why people think this way. Just because Kaname loves Yuuki doesn't mean she can't move on after his death. Killing Kaname now is the best option for the manga

You are just thinking about Zero. We can not ignore Yuuki's feelings. As the heroine of the story she swore to save Kaname (Such a selfish heroine XD). What if she wouldn't succeed? I know many zekis hate her now but we still can't ignore her feelings.

Kaname can't live without Yuuki but want's to die cause he belives he wouldn't be able to bring her hapiness.

Zero finally decided to be true to his feeling and now puts Yuuki's hapiness before his.(I'm so proud *sob*).

oh,and the rest of your comment is just Zeki bitterness which is disrespectful to Yume fans.^__~



'disrespectful to YUME fans'. Sigh. Ugh. Comments like this remind me why the VK fandom is just so incredibly silly at times. Saying that Zero/Yuuki or Kaname/Yuuki is the 'better' ship not being disrespectful or rude, it is that person's personal preference they have a right to their opinion, whether it is popular or not. Calling people names and making personal attacks based on what a person ships, now that's disrespectful. There is ridiculous amount of bitterness in this fandom because people are passionate about ships, some of it is because trolls out there do resort to being horrible to other fans but a a huge amount of it is fans getting all worked up over anther person's opinion and then reacting. So many times I've either seen a Yume or Zeki fan stating why they love their ship and then the other side being oversensitive getting offended for no good reason.



There is a very thin line between sharing opinions and bashing characters or ships which is just disrespectful. (T_T)

I've seen a lot of bashings here recently and the bitterness wasn't from my side if you actually paid attention.
 
  • #70
haha 'aelove' that would surely be the best conclusion...the manga is already ruined a long time ago...though if it ends up with Yuuki being with Kaname and Zero just being happy to see his loves one happy will DEFINITELY piss me off
 
  • #71
Yes the second half is Way weaker than the first half of the story,  I think she tried too much and tried to get too complex and it got all muddied up so the story fell apart from trying to be too much and parts are way longer than they should be and other parts rushed.   It's a shame cause this started out as my favorite like years ago....

I would agree that Death Note also is worse in the second half than the first I think the authors sort of loose sight where they are going with it and bring in too many elements they don't fully resolve...



For people looking for good supernatural vampire stories that are not just romance etc but real vampires -

try Nobody Knows,  it is ongoing and the story is complex and weaves back and forth so you really have to pay attention as it has time going back and forth to past and present  and the art is really good.    It has a more josei like maturity to it though.  

Also  Lost in London is also very good and ongoing also good art etc.      

For a supernatural ongoing story with mystery try Priince of the Night.   

Again they are ongoing in translation though - so who knows....
 
  • #72
kapwned said:
It sounds like Kaname is really redeeming himself as a character in this chapter and it explains his whole purposed from the beginning that some fans fail to remember. Yuuki is literally all Kaname lives for. If it weren't for her, he'd have no desire to live.



Redeeming himself??? This is what I hate about this story. Kaname does nothing and is still hailed as some god.



kapwned said:
I still think he's going to die though. And I swear Yuuki and Zero better not be together in the end. It's too disrespectful to Kaname. I hope Zero finds happiness and closure in the end, but yeah, not with Yuuki please. He deserves better anyway.



Yes Zero deserves better but it won't be disrespectful to kaname if Zeki does happen. Maybe you forgot that kaname is the one who ripped Zero's family apart. He manipulated and used Zero all his life and then threw him away like a discarded tool. It will be tremendously disrespectful to Zero if Yume happens. But then again the mangaka is writing a yume fanfiction so I won't be surprised if that happens.



@Raging X

Cosign. The only moral coming from this story is "It's okay to hurt people for selfish reasons." Disgusting the way Zero is treated here. He gets crapped on all the f-king time and always does the right thing but never gets rewarded. Kaname on the other hand gets forgiven on the blink of an eye for all the crazy shit he pulled. I have no interest in reading the final chapter just to see Zero being the better man once again and letting Yuuki go. Don't need to see the kind of miserable ending he'll get.
 
  • #73
Eridanus10 said:


Ms. Hino should just let everyone survive and disappoint no one since the plot is definitely rushed and killing Kaname now will enrage both Zero and Kaname fans unless Zero leaves Yuki alone (lol) forever . Moreover if Yuki moves on to Zero after Kaname's death that will make her the most hated protagonist in history .

I don't understand why people think this way. Just because Kaname loves Yuuki doesn't mean she can't move on after his death. Killing Kaname now is the best option for the manga(but don't worry that won't happen because Matsuri Hino is writing solely  to please the fans). What will make Yuuki the most hated protagonist in history(if she hasn't become one already) is if she continues to be with the man who toyed with her friend's life. I am not a shipper or a fan of any of the characters anymore. Hino destroyed everything for me in chapter89 but Zeki is the only good thing that can happen in the manga at this point. It will bring together the theme of coexistence and give a positive message. Zero despite being an idiot and the Kurans' lapdog has frankly never done anything immoral. He is trying to save Kaname and if Yuuki ends up with Zero that won't make her a bad person. Making a yume ending will demolish all the character and plot development and will make the creation of the second arc redundant. But at the end of the day I know Hino will make this a yume end(it's obvious she's selling out to please the fans and killing her story in the process) and the story will suck regardless of the ending(though it will suck a little less if the ending is Zeki).
 
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