Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion

It has everything to do with it ... you keep slipping sideways from what I am trying to say and stick your own spin on it ... it's impossible to even attempt to make conversation when you do this. Almost every post you reply with is in the same vain.



Kaname wants Yuuki to be with Zero, but has the gaul to bed her ... what sort of twisted logic is that? Good bye sex? Biyatch please ... that's like backwashing a good champange and passing it to your rival in business (or love) ... Sloppy seconds? No thanks ... I'd rather save myself for someone who loves me without the need to bed someone else (more to the point your worst enemy) to prove that point ...

yunaleia said:
Narutowolf77 said:
Edefrem said:




WHY SAVE A SHIP THAT HAS FINALLY (AND GODDAMN THANKFULLY) BE SUNK?!?!?



Because Kaname is bent on trying to throw his heart into the furnace and thinks he can make Yuuki happy about it by sticking her with Zero. XD



Kaname's a silly guy, he thinks like that sometimes. Then again most of the VK characters have suffered from poor judgement at some point or another XD



So what is his or indeed your explanation, for him sleeping with Yuuki if he is so hell bent on not having a relationship with her? ...



He was trying to show her that she loves Zero, that's why so many of the haters raged about it because they didn't feel it was the appropriate way to go about it. I even quote the lines before it happened:



"I should have entrusted you to Kiryuu sooner."



"If you don't know where your heart belongs I'll show you Yuuki."



Although other people have interpreted as the characters attempt to bring closure to their relationship as Kaname really believes he's going to throw his heart into that there furnace and die so this could be the last time he ever sees her and she him since Yuuki really believes she's going to use her life to make Kaname human. Goodbye sex you could call it. This interpretation can be supported by the title of the chapter: A Night to End a Thousand Nights.



A quote from tumblr that describes what I'm talking about (from a Zeki fan no less):



Fate said:




*facepalm* That’s definitely not it. I ship Zeki and even I don’t feel like Kaname was just doing it to get laid, he’s not that type of person. If anything, I feel it was for closure. Kaname plans on dieing, Yuuki plans on dieing, and Zero doesn’t even remember her cuz she doesn’t want him getting hurt anymore… so closure sex. People do it.

Vesperlynd said:
Such a crap chapter, once again. I'd hoped that there would be some recovery after the disastrous 89 but there's no saving this series now. I've noticed that the discussion traffic has been cut by more than half since 88. Nice job Hino.



I'll reiterate my views on how this will end soon:



- Kaname will die. Not by furnace   

- Zero will remember

- Hino will try make Zeki happen. It won't be pretty



This manga is pretty much dead for me now, and Hino better not try!!!  If there is a pureblood baby at the end of all this I hope Zero beats it, He can chain IT in the basement!!

Narutowolf77 said:
That's one of things I like about Hino-sensei, she knows what she wants and goes for it, not caring about her readers feelings. It's admirable to me because I know that there are some authors that are swayed by their fans and I think an author should tell their story the way THEY want to tell it because it's their story and by writing it down to publish they are giving their fans the privilege of reading and enjoying it.



Their fewer fans ... thought I'd flesh out that comment since not ALL fans are swayed by this *not caring about her readers feelings*. Not saying you're wrong, but that was a very stereotypical comment to make when you should know full well that her actions have displeased just as many.

Orulyon said:
Edefrem said:
Just when you think you couldn't dislike Kaname even more...I swear if he's trying to bring Zero and Yuuki together I'll flip shit.



Narutowolf77 said:
Fully agree that Kaname's actions were him trying to save the Zeki ship.



WHY SAVE A SHIP THAT HAS FINALLY (AND GODDAMN THANKFULLY) BE SUNK?!?!?



Actually Kaname is gay for Zero since he chased after him the whole fucking chapter.

*Kaname grabs Zero´s arm*

*Kaname gazes at Zero in the hall*

*Kaname secretely watches Zero through the window*

*And then he calls him for tea*

*And then he bites Yuuki LOOKING at Zero*

Behind the scenes



Please dear Heaven´s remove Zero from that house. Kaito is the best bro ever, his words were just...the ultimate truth. I dont want Zero raising the Kuran´s child and then become a pedophile or a stepdad. I dont want him with Yuuki.  Zero deserves better and since Zero is my only reason why I keep reading this crap, I wish him the biggest happiness. IMO being alone is better than staying with Yuuki.



I swear if this ends in ZEKI Ill rate this with 1. A lot of months ago long time before Kaname had the "wish" to die I made a prediction and it turned out right. I predicted Kaname would want to die for humanity´s sake. My second prediction was that Yuuki would choose Zero only because Kaname was going to die and that one didnt turn out true...YET. Because honestly Im not seeing Yuuki opening her arms and returning to Zero with Kaname alive.

Even if Yuuki returned to Zero saying "I love you from the bottom of my heart" It is simply not credible anymore because of her attitudes during the whole manga. If she comes and says "I love you more than Kaname" I cannot even believe it. Its not believable you see?!!!



Kaname should stop forcing Zero to remember, its awkward coming from his love rival. Just leave Zero alone for god´s sake. For once in your life just FUCKING LEAVE HIM ALONE, stop thinking in Yuuki, think in Zero at least a little bit. Kaname´s aim is always the same: entrust Yuuki to Zero so the lady can live protected forever with a KNIGHT to protect her above all things. NO. If he wants someone to protect her he should do it himself and stop the nonsense of wanting to die for the sake of humanity. Its like Kaname and his chess: Kaname is the king and he "made" a knight for his queen.

Stop messing with Zero. Now it comes a battle with purebloods and someone is going to get hurt.










I totally cannot agree more and every words in your post is EXACTLY what I have in mind all this time,  especially the KaZe part. XD I guess that's why I usually find fanfic more appealing than what's actually happening in the real manga. All I can say is I only read for the sake of Zero's happiness since God knows when (since I find that Yuuki is no longer likable and that he deserves MUCH better). Seriously, Hino-sensei please has mercy on my Zero-chan! T^T He suffered enough and there're only three chapters left so please set him free from these chaos, be at peace and live happily ever after. I'm not Kaname hater and I do hope he'll find his happiness as well! The only problem I have is our heroine. *face-palm* Don't even let me start expressing what I feel about her because I'll eventually run out of negative adjectives and swearing words to describe her. (No offense, Yuuki fans) To keep thing short, IMO without Yuuki, everyone would be happy. Period LOL



Ps. *cough* KaZe FTW *cough* XD

After reading this chapter I am even more confident that Kaname is going to die in the end (T_T) . It's definitely going to be a Zeki ending .



Enough with all the Kaname hating , he is just trying to get Zero to regain his memories and for yuki to realize her feelings for Zero since he's going to sacrifice himself and doesn't want a lonely future for Yuki (and lets not forget that Kaname has some kind of inferiority complex).

Still love Kaname forever !!!! <3

yunaleia said:
Support maybe, or it could be the night to end a thousand nights ... of wanting to have sex with Yuuki ... He has been shown to have a complete fascination for Yuuki, so to me this isn't beyond his scope.



This whole *self sacrifice* bs ... is a complete u-turn on how the outset was in the beginning. It was all about understanding and adjustment, now it's turned into take what you want anyway you can get it. It's a pathetic down hill slope that for me has been ruined with the constant plot 180s and having a broken heroine. Yuuki in her pre vampire mode was something I could get on with, the longer she has stayed a vampire, the worse she has become.



Blood+ got it right, Vampire Knight has done it wrong-wrong-wrong ...



I can see how from another perspective you could assume what you have, but I gave up being a fence sitter since chapter 89 ... Chapter 89 broke me ... I had hoped for something else ... this wasn't it ...



Oh I agree, but I will still read the chapters. If Hino thinks I'll be buying these in English Like I have always done to be fair, she is sadly mistaken! I don't like being trolled, and she should have make it clear instead of the back and forth BS trying to make money off of both ships!  Play with fire, get burned!