Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion
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- #2
I still refuse to believe that any man who sleeps with a woman to make her realise shes in love with another man is just plain bs. It feels like a pseudo NTR scene where both men love the woman, she realises her love for one is greater than the other but ends up sleeping with the wrong man. It is a vile scene, and no amount of smoke and mirrors of concepts that rely on plucking individual bits of information to prove a theory are also just as eronious.
My prediction - Kaname ends up sacrificing himself with Yuuki watching, then Zero kicks her arse in as well so they can burn happily in hell together ... End.
- #3
Yozora_Hikari said:
Okay. let's put aside the hate for a moment, don't u think Kaname acting weird towards Yuuki at the end of this chapter?
i think this is a possibility:
- Kaname want to erase Yuuki Memories about him in her heart (just like Yuuki did to Zero)
- Kaname want to unconscious Yuuki so he can get out from the mansion without Yuuki
- Kaname want to have a 2nd round with Yuuki (i like this 1 though) xD
I vote for number 3 XD
JK my bets are on number 1 but number 2 is also likely.
Eridanus10 said:
After reading this chapter I am even more confident that Kaname is going to die in the end (T_T) . It's definitely going to be a Zeki ending .
Enough with all the Kaname hating , he is just trying to get Zero to regain his memories and for yuki to realize her feelings for Zero since he's going to sacrifice himself and doesn't want a lonely future for Yuki (and lets not forget that Kaname has some kind of inferiority complex).
Still love Kaname forever !!!! <3
Oh don't start saying stuff like that! >.< We need to keep strong, carry on, and pray until the end that Kana-chan will live and get his happy ending! Hino-sensei is known for her plot twists and surprises (like I'm sure none of us even saw the bedscene in chapter 89 coming XD)! I'm a believer! Did anyone else just picture Kaname suddenly breaking into a musical number with this song (which is strangely appropriate for him, the lyrics anyway) or was that just me O.o
The story has come to a point of no turning back , any step back will ruin the whole manga . Personally i would like both Kaname and Yuki dead in the end( i am not a Kaname hater ) and Zero alive . I certainly don't want a happy ending as it's too late and complicated to make a light-hearted ending now.
I don't want it to end like every typical shoujo manga and want it to have a truly' bloody ending'
The situations in the storyline are too messy to clean up , so better leave it as it is with Kaname and Yuki dead .
It's better for Hino to go all the way and leave us with a memorable , blow our minds away kind of ending than a lousy one (i'd totally hate that).
- #4
As far as I know, in Japan, the Vampire Knight fandom is different from that in the west. Kaname is more popular over there than Zero, that's maybe why Hino has always stuck with Kaname/Yuuki until now, and the Japanese readers by this chapter might not mind the Kaname/Yuuki development.
But in an interview, Hino said she had already planned the whole story out from the beginning (the troll...!), so I don't think her reader's feelings impacted/changed it too much. She knew what she was doing the whole time.
- #5
yunaleia said:
Randomxxxx said:
I am hoping Kaname dies to save Zero or something in a way to atone for destroying his life.
No no no! This cannot happen. Why? Because it will be another joker card from the Kaname fanbase to *prove* that he is being a selfless anti-hero. This in turn will add a demeaning factor to Zeros character as he would then have a debt to Kaname (a debt to a pureblood vampire more precisely).
He owes Kaname nothing at present. The whole idea of him attempting to *save the Zeki ship* is an idolisation of two characters, both Yuuki and Kaname, being *helpful* towards Zero.
My ideal ending is actually leaning towards Zero dying (here me out first) by saving Kaname before he throws himself in the furnace. Yuuki then ends up losing both of her male interests, Kaname finally gets his wish and Zero can pass away in the knowledge that a pureblood vampire owed him a debt that he now cannot repay and Yuuki would know of it. The end result is that Zero can be at peace in death, Kaname can die and be forgotten about and Yuuki can cry in despair because she has no man to coddle her ... HA! ...
Kaname IS trying to make Zero remember Yuuki so that he can leave Yuuki to him when he dies there is no other word for it but saving. And I don't get how you can say he is NOT selfless and an anti-hero after chapters 89 and 90 which were basically ABOUT him being selfless heck it even showed in chapter 81 that he is selfless:
"Killing purebloods is "Her" wish." - Chapter 81 Page 20, Kaname to Yuuki
"I had thought one day to use this life of mine to make Yuuki human..." - Chapter 88 Page 10, Kaname to Isaya
"It's the responsibility of the last remaining member of the founders, so I will succeed *Her*. We must leave the parent and the power to butcher vampires, with humans." - Chapter 89 Page 21, Kaname to Kaien
"I will use my heart to fuel the furnace." - Chapter 89 Page 21, Kaname to Kaien
"It was all for me and until the very end you made sure I couldn't find out." - Chapter 89 Page 31, Yuuki to Kaname
"In the distant past I briefly saw ...Kaname helped humans with affection but was betrayed. Even so he has always stood by them as their ally. Despite losing his greatest companion and despite losing his comrades he has always...always...always...it's as though he wouldn't be allowed to exist if he didn't use his life for the sake of someone..." - Chapter 90 Page 3, Yuuki internal monologue
"Throwing one's heart into the furnace, and giving that to them. For the sake of the weak, one would continue to exist for a long time. As the weapons which would be covered in vampire's blood and dirt..." - Chapter 90 Page 28, Yuuki internal monologue
I don't care that you hate the characters, hate them all you want! But please don't try to deny what is canon, I hate Zero and I don't go around saying that he doesn't love Yuuki because he pointed guns at her head, told her he was going to kill her, and treated her coldly for reasons that were never her fault (basically misplaced anger) nor do I go around saying that he's heartless because neither are true based off of canon evidence, it's clear he loves Yuuki and even though he has treated her terribly in the past he does indeed have a heart.
Anyways since we're talking about our ideal endings mine would be one in which Zero dies (not because I hate him either unlike some of the Kaname haters who want him dead simply because they hate him) in order to save Kaname and Yuuki by destroying the furnace which would then bring everything full circle because the Ancestress died for humans/hunters so a ex-human/hunter dying for vampires would just kind of bring everything round again and if he dies while destroying the furnace it would promote the overall theme of peaceful co-existence. In a way it kind of let's everyone win Kaname gets a second chance at love and life, Yuuki gets Kaname, and Zero is remembered as a hero and will be happy with his family in the afterlife (hey if people who say Kaname should die because he will be with the Ancestress in the afterlife can use that excuse then I can use this excuse). Though like stated this is just my ideal, I'm steeling my heart for whatever end Hino throws at us be it tragic or happy.
- #6
For the record, I am not a Zeki shipper or indeed a Yume shipper, the problem I have is how these two came together (no pun intended) when for so many chapters it felt that she was leaning towards Zero whilst accepting that as the last pure blood she had an obligation to deal with Kaname, not bed him ...
I on the other hand always saw this manga as pro Kaname/Yuuki XD It started with Yuuki having a crush on Kaname, Yuuki choosing Kaname over Zero in the middle, and the build-up and climax with them in the previous chapter was a natural development of their relationship to me. Yeah, there had been instances throughout the series where Yuuki was drawn to Zero, but in the end she always returned to Kaname.
As far as I know, in Japan, the Vampire Knight fandom is different from that in the west. Kaname is more popular over there than Zero, that's maybe why Hino has always stuck with Kaname/Yuuki until now, and the Japanese readers by this chapter might not mind the Kaname/Yuuki development.
- #7
Okay. let's put aside the hate for a moment, don't u think Kaname acting weird towards Yuuki at the end of this chapter?
i think this is a possibility:
- Kaname want to erase Yuuki Memories about him in her heart (just like Yuuki did to Zero)
- Kaname want to unconscious Yuuki so he can get out from the mansion without Yuuki
- Kaname want to have a 2nd round with Yuuki (i like this 1 though) xD
I vote for number 3 XD
JK my bets are on number 1 but number 2 is also likely.
Eridanus10 said:
After reading this chapter I am even more confident that Kaname is going to die in the end (T_T) . It's definitely going to be a Zeki ending .
Enough with all the Kaname hating , he is just trying to get Zero to regain his memories and for yuki to realize her feelings for Zero since he's going to sacrifice himself and doesn't want a lonely future for Yuki (and lets not forget that Kaname has some kind of inferiority complex).
Still love Kaname forever !!!! <3
Oh don't start saying stuff like that! >.< We need to keep strong, carry on, and pray until the end that Kana-chan will live and get his happy ending! Hino-sensei is known for her plot twists and surprises (like I'm sure none of us even saw the bedscene in chapter 89 coming XD)! I'm a believer! Did anyone else just picture Kaname suddenly breaking into a musical number with this song (which is strangely appropriate for him, the lyrics anyway) or was that just me O.o
- #8
Just when you think you couldn't dislike Kaname even more...I swear if he's trying to bring Zero and Yuuki together I'll flip shit.
Narutowolf77 said:
Fully agree that Kaname's actions were him trying to save the Zeki ship.
WHY SAVE A SHIP THAT HAS FINALLY (AND GODDAMN THANKFULLY) BE SUNK?!?!?
Actually Kaname is gay for Zero since he chased after him the whole fucking chapter.
*Kaname grabs Zero´s arm*
*Kaname gazes at Zero in the hall*
*Kaname secretely watches Zero through the window*
*And then he calls him for tea*
*And then he bites Yuuki LOOKING at Zero*
Behind the scenes
Please dear Heaven´s remove Zero from that house. Kaito is the best bro ever, his words were just...the ultimate truth. I dont want Zero raising the Kuran´s child and then become a pedophile or a stepdad. I dont want him with Yuuki. Zero deserves better and since Zero is my only reason why I keep reading this crap, I wish him the biggest happiness. IMO being alone is better than staying with Yuuki.
I swear if this ends in ZEKI Ill rate this with 1. A lot of months ago long time before Kaname had the "wish" to die I made a prediction and it turned out right. I predicted Kaname would want to die for humanity´s sake. My second prediction was that Yuuki would choose Zero only because Kaname was going to die and that one didnt turn out true...YET. Because honestly Im not seeing Yuuki opening her arms and returning to Zero with Kaname alive.
Even if Yuuki returned to Zero saying "I love you from the bottom of my heart" It is simply not credible anymore because of her attitudes during the whole manga. If she comes and says "I love you more than Kaname" I cannot even believe it. Its not believable you see?!!!
Kaname should stop forcing Zero to remember, its awkward coming from his love rival. Just leave Zero alone for god´s sake. For once in your life just FUCKING LEAVE HIM ALONE, stop thinking in Yuuki, think in Zero at least a little bit. Kaname´s aim is always the same: entrust Yuuki to Zero so the lady can live protected forever with a KNIGHT to protect her above all things. NO. If he wants someone to protect her he should do it himself and stop the nonsense of wanting to die for the sake of humanity. Its like Kaname and his chess: Kaname is the king and he "made" a knight for his queen.
Stop messing with Zero. Now it comes a battle with purebloods and someone is going to get hurt.
- #9
I can honestly say that I feel for all of the characters (except maybe Rido - guy was a total douchebag), but that definitely doesn't mean that I agree with everything they've done.
People will probably (no, definitely) flame me for saying this, but having been a confused 17 year old suddenly dumped into a situation that I wasn't prepared for, I can't bring myself to hate Yuuki. Yes, I would really like her to be more assertive about her decisions and commit to them wholeheartedly, but at the same time I can understand how that wouldn't be easy.
Yuuki & Zero (talk about Kaname in a second) - they're both teenagers and they've both hurt each other trying to deal with their own crap while still trying to watch out for the other; Zero points guns at her head and threatens to kill her every other chapter but won't actually do it because of his feelings for her; the more aggressive/hurt he acts, Yuuki protects/loves him more and then gets confused because of her feelings for Kaname and so the cycle goes.
While I think the memory rape thing was an arrogant and selfish action on her part (when someone says stop, you probably should), I agree that she felt it would be in Zero's best interest and since I wish some of my exes had done that for me - can't hate her for it. The fact that she gets pissed off and slaps Kaname for acting like a turd shows that she is sticking to her reasons for erasing Zero's memories in the first place - she doesn't want him to be "dragged into [our] lives" and that near to her "isn't a place [he] should be" because he seems to get hurt or endangered somehow every time they are around one another (strengthened by the fact that Kaido and him come under attack on the final page).
While I think I understand Zero and Yuuki's objectives and motivations, Kaname, not so much. I'm drawn to him because I'm a sucker for bad boys, so can relate to the attraction/connection Yuuki feels for him, but as a reader I don't get what drives him as a character.
The easy answer is "He's done everything to protect Yuuki, and will keep protecting her in any way he thinks best," and that comes from how he loves her, but that explanation seems flimsy at times. I guess what puzzles me most is the lightning fast changes in his declared tactics - first we'll kill the council so she won't have to worry about nobles, then that isn't good enough so we'll kill the other purebloods, nope that's still not good enough so I'll throw myself into the furnace to become the 'parent'. What is the trigger that causes the change in tactics? If his ultimate goal was to become the parent in the first place, then why tell her that he loves her and they will be together for eternity if he's already planning on jumping into the fire?
Perhaps Hino Matsuri is trying to demonstrate what happens when people love someone but don't know how to love?
He obviously loved the ancestress (who's a lot like Yuuki - she wants to protect humans, and would rather sacrifice herself than the person she loves, except the ancestress wasn't 17 ), but couldn't save her from her own sense of duty/doing what was right, so when he gets a second chance at love with Yuuki, instead of loving he's too busy protecting (regardless of the cost to those around him).
While I am not a shipper, I'd recommend listening to the song "Gravity" by Sara Bareilles as I think it really neatly sums up the Yuuki x Kaname relationship.
Basically, I think all of these characters are beautifully flawed and I find the series very moving even if it aggravates or frustrates me.
If you've stuck with me this far, I thank and commend you :)
- #10
WHY SAVE A SHIP THAT HAS FINALLY (AND GODDAMN THANKFULLY) BE SUNK?!?!?
Because Kaname is bent on trying to throw his heart into the furnace and thinks he can make Yuuki happy about it by sticking her with Zero. XD
Kaname's a silly guy, he thinks like that sometimes. Then again most of the VK characters have suffered from poor judgement at some point or another XD
- #11
The sudden truth to Kaname's intentions certainly did change his characters whole look. I still think the series is being rather melodramatic all around. Almost nothing is happening. They're fighting to prevent an issue that isn't even a serious issue in the world (yet). You can feel this sense of urgency even though there is no rush. While this is going on, they need level Es or something raiding the cities, killing people, reeking havoc, SOMETHING. There's nothing wrong with some violence and blood. Otherwise, this just seems rather melodramatic.
- #12
Narutowolf77 said:
Fully agree that Kaname's actions were him trying to save the Zeki ship.
WHY SAVE A SHIP THAT HAS FINALLY (AND GODDAMN THANKFULLY) BE SUNK?!?!?
- #13
Kaname IS trying to make Zero remember Yuuki so that he can leave Yuuki to him when he dies there is no other word for it but saving.
Quoting myself again here, compliments of Raven_Shinobi in that in almost all shoujo related mangas, if the heroine has a harem of bishies to chose from, the one that she sleeps with first will end up being the end pairing. Now unless Hino intends to prove that what we saw in chapter 89 was simply a night of hugging (rofl - no) then a Zeki ending is by and large impossible. Good for me, good for you, like Eskimo neko too.
You telling me Hino intends to break that manga genre?!