Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion

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  • #18
Well according to the shoujo romance genre, she now *can't* get with Zero ... so ... I'm no longer sure what to expect in the end.



Super vindictive mode activated*



IF by some Suzuka style drama, after one session of *where are you poking*, Yuuki ends up pregnant ... I want Zero to wait until Yuuki sees Kaname burn, then shoot her in the back through the womb ... With a sealing bullet ... Now she can't breed nor have that destestable characters child either ...



SVM Deactivated ...



Kanames character as portrayed in my eyes, is a calculating, manipulative and and full of guile. He is no Leloch ... he is far darker and far more deceitful. I dislike his character with every passing chapter. This last chapter just goes to show how far he will push his mind games. To repeat, not only to his slave, but also to Zero ...
 
  • #19
This should end in another nine or ten chapters, or maybe even less. Since the Ridou arc I haven't been having much interest in this, or maybe am unable to follow the arc as well since it comes out monthly, and tends to end up confused to what Kaname's real motives are.
 
  • #20
This some bullshit.  Why the hell did she have to go and sleep with Kaname? -_- I am not liking the turn this manga is taking now.  Here's to hoping a decent ending will happen when it's all said and done.
 
  • #21
Support maybe, or it could be the night to end a thousand nights ... of wanting to have sex with Yuuki ... He has been shown to have a complete fascination for Yuuki, so to me this isn't beyond his scope.



This whole *self sacrifice* bs ... is a complete u-turn on how the outset was in the beginning. It was all about understanding and adjustment, now it's turned into take what you want anyway you can get it. It's a pathetic down hill slope that for me has been ruined with the constant plot 180s and having a broken heroine. Yuuki in her pre vampire mode was something I could get on with, the longer she has stayed a vampire, the worse she has become.



Blood+ got it right, Vampire Knight has done it wrong-wrong-wrong ...



I can see how from another perspective you could assume what you have, but I gave up being a fence sitter since chapter 89 ... Chapter 89 broke me ... I had hoped for something else ... this wasn't it ...
 
  • #22
And my point is not an opinion either, given that there are just as many people on here posting about their dissatisfaction of the way the manga has played out. That is also fact.



Though I understand your sentiments as a basis, using your opinion as a writer, to me at least, has no bearing or weight on the arguement.



Yes Hino has targeted her audience in Japan if that is how the populus like to see things, but as a writer, is *potentially* (using this word losely, dont hold me to it) losing a large portion of your reader base (we're not talking numbers or figures, just a generic) by playing out a story line so ... disjointed ... really something to be proud of? Your analysis of the before/after effect of Yuukis relationship with Zero and Kaname, if this was indeed Hino's plan all along, would it not have been at least an idea to slowly either remove Zero from the love triangle or remove him entirely?



"Privilege of reading them" ... when your works become as big as Seo, Hino, Kei et al, I'll bare that in mind ... until then, more conceitedness ...
 
  • #23
yunaleia said:
And my point is not an opinion either, given that there are just as many people on here posting about their dissatisfaction of the way the manga has played out. That is also fact.



Though I understand your sentiments as a basis, using your opinion as a writer, to me at least, has no bearing or weight on the arguement.



Yes Hino has targeted her audience in Japan if that is how the populus like to see things, but as a writer, is *potentially* (using this word losely, dont hold me to it) losing a large portion of your reader base (we're not talking numbers or figures, just a generic) by playing out a story line so ... disjointed ... really something to be proud of? Your analysis of the before/after effect of Yuukis relationship with Zero and Kaname, if this was indeed Hino's plan all along, would it not have been at least an idea to slowly either remove Zero from the love triangle or remove him entirely?



"Privilege of reading them" ... when your works become as big as Seo, Hino, Kei et al, I'll bare that in mind ... until then, more conceitedness ...



*Facepalm* Again you miss my point and again you display complete disrespect for every and any author that has ever published something. Allow me to caps lock it so I can get my point acros:



READING A NOVEL, MANGA, SHORT STORY, ANY WORK OF LITERARY FICTION, IS A PRIVILEGE GIVEN BY AN AUTHOR TO THEIR FANS.



Take for example (as much as I hate to use this) Stephanie Meiers author of (Bleh!! >.<) Twilight. She had at one point a story that would have taken place from the point of view of Edward that was never published because someone betrayed her trust and posted part of it online. By not publishing that story Stephanie Meiers took away the privilege that her fans had of ever reading the completed version. A privilege is something that can be taken away. Like I said an author doesn't have to publish something but they do, they give their readers that privilege. And yes my opinion as a writer has bearing and weight on the argument as it provides credibility (clearly you have never taken a speech class if you feel that is unimportant). And popularity has nothing to do with it, I have had experience with fan bases when it comes to putting my comics on my deviantart and publishing fanfics on fanfiction.net so I know what I'm talk about (more credibility woohoo!) it's not conceitedness.



I don't see Hino's story line as necessarily disjointed, it's just not your typical connect the dots with every chapter type of storyline. Rather Hino's storyline is more like putting together a puzzle if you just try to connect it chapter by chapter it doesn't work just like pulling each individual piece out of a puzzle box without looking and trying to connect them won't work (unless you're really lucky, and in that case why are you wasting your time putting together a puzzle!? Go out and buy yourself a lottery ticket XD) rather you have to read Hino-sensei's work as a collective whole and connect the puzzle pieces where they fit rather than taking it chapter by chapter. Someone on another VK forum also brought up the analogy of each chapter being a lone tree in a forest and the forest being the manga as a whole though I find the puzzle analogy to be more appropriate. If anything her plot is more complex and more brilliantly done than in other manga that use the linear approach for plot. I also doubt that the larger part of her reader base is the part that she lost with her presentation rather I think it was the minority.



"Your analysis of the before/after effect of Yuukis relationship with Zero and Kaname, if this was indeed Hino's plan all along, would it not have been at least an idea to slowly either remove Zero from the love triangle or remove him entirely?"



I wasn't presenting it as a before/after effect I was presenting it as Hino balancing it, like balancing a scale, in order to draw out Yuuki's true feelings. It wouldn't have made sense to slowly remove Zero from the love triangle or remove him entirely prior to chapter 87 because Yuuki still wasn't sure about her own feelings (which I believe she is now but that's opening up an entirely new can of worms that I don't want to delve into right now as I have no ambition to go looking up chapter and page numbers simply to prove a point) now in the final arc would be the time to start tipping the scales.



"if that is how the populus like to see things", by the way I loled at this. How the populus like to see thing? It's the truth not just a way of looking at something. Should I say "Yes the target audience of the guy that published Captain America was the United States of America if that is how the populus like to see things"
 
  • #24
Kaname pisses me off to no end. Just die already. He was incredibly annoying in this chapter. I'm fine with Yuuki. Zero deserves better than this though. Poor guy.
 
  • #25
Such a crap chapter, once again. I'd hoped that there would be some recovery after the disastrous 89 but there's no saving this series now. I've noticed that the discussion traffic has been cut by more than half since 88. Nice job Hino.



I'll reiterate my views on how this will end soon:



- Kaname will die. Not by furnace   

- Zero will remember

- Hino will try make Zeki happen. It won't be pretty
 
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