Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion

HikaruIzumi said:




Honestly, before I read this chapter I was like "What crap will this be?". Surprisingly it was quite fine. The only thing I'm really starting to get fed up with is Yuuki's indecisiveness. Seriously, just decide already and stick with it! Overall, I feel like nothing really happened in this chapter. We had FINALLY some more characters and a tea party. That's all. What the hell is with hunters being buddies with Kaname all of a sudden? It's not like any vampire can't claim to become the parent just to be protected. And why would they send Zero to protect them when he suffered a weird memory loss for no reason? Shouldn't they be trying to get him better or at least make him rest? Also, how could the mansion just get attacked out of the blue with 3 (probably) the most powerful vampires around? They should feel them or something! So many things that didn't make sense... but I guess for VK, it's not that bad.



TBH, I don't think Kaname was doing anything bad this chapter. Judging by how it is portraying him he was trying to make Zero remember (biting his loved one) or to make Yuuki realise she wants to be with Zero (so she wouldn't sacrifice herself for his sake) or both. The only "jerk" I see this chapter is Yuuki. Despite deciding to be with Kaname, she keeps showing signs of loving Zero without trying to hide them or any guilt. She is outright CRUEL to both Kaname and Zero. ESPECIALLY considering that she realises how much Kaname did for her (at least according to this chapter). That's just sick. I lost any and all respect I had for that girl. And at this point I feel like ending up with her is actually the BAD end for the guy.



Fully agree that Kaname's actions were him trying to save the Zeki ship. I don't understand why some Zeki fans are hating on him and saying he's "flaunting" Yuuki and treating her as a "prize" as though he's won. As someone on tumblr said he's on your side he wants your ship to happen (even if it isn't for Zero's sake but Yuuki's instead). If anyone should be upset with Kaname over his actions in this chapter it should be the YuMe fans but we're not. ???



I do disagree on what you said about Yuuki though, yes Yuuki is showing signs of still loving Zero even though she's chosen Kaname it's to be expected since that's not something you get over in just a day and she did try to hide it. She was the one who wanted to stay in her room, not see Zero, and talk to Kaname instead but Kaname forcibly brought her out and then after being forced to greet Zero she tried to make a hasty escape with Kaname but he stopped her again with the 'let's have tea' thing (speaking of which loved Yuuki's reaction in the little bubbles XD "Tea?" "Tea.") And she did say she felt uncomfortable with the whole situation when asked and finally she slapped Kaname and told him to stop trying to bring Zero into their problems. So no I don't think she was a "jerk" in this chapter. Yuuki was doing her best to stick with her decision and move on from Zero while Kaname kept trying to force Zero's memories to come back by using Yuuki. :)



I was actually quite proud of Yuuki for slapping Kaname and telling him to stop drying to place a wall of Zero flesh between them. It really showed her determination in sticking with her decision.



On your first paragraph, sending Zero could have been the Kaien or Kaito's idea for getting his memories back and I don't think he would rest even if they told him to XD

They'd probably have to strap him into a bed XD As for the hunters association being buddy buddy with Kaname it's because he's the one that has decided to be the new parent, I mean it's not like the HA has a bunch of vampire candidates lined up ready to toss their hearts into a furnace to make them vampire hunting weapons, plus it might need to be a pureblood that has to do it which just limits them even more to their choices. As for how the mansion could be attacked out of the blue and none of the vampires sensed it, well we don't know if they sensed it or not, we only saw the hunter perspective plus it could have been that the vampires somehow hid their presence until the mansion was surrounded.

Let me make one thing clear: I don't like Yuki anymore.



That said, I also want to kick Kaname's ass for forcing her to sit practically superglued to him. And for displaying her like a piece of property. Of course, he might only be preparing Yuki to forget him after he died in the Furnace. If that's so then I might like him better, but not much.



Also, what does Hino-sensei think she's doing? She had Kaname KILL Aidou's dad right in front of our eyes, and then, voila, HE'S BACK TO LIFE! Illogical!



At this point I honestly don't care if Yuki draws lots and picks either Kaname or Zero, but this I-love-him-but-like-him-as-well thing is really pissing me off.



Of course, the ShikiRima was the saving grace of this chapter. I loved that. And also the smattering of KaitoZero.



Hopefully Kaname and Yuki will stop banging each other enough to think about what they're doing, and also I really hope something awesomely good happens to Zero. He's had it overdue. I love ya, pal.

Shining gem of this was definitely Shiki and Rima moving towards becoming official. Kaname came across as a true tool to me taunting Zero by biting Yuuki like that but if it helps push Zero to regain his memories all the better. Even Yuuki is still showing signs that part of her wants to be with Zero again by trying to avoid being around him and especially in how she reacted to Kaname. Taito gained much much respect for further planting the memory regaining flag for Zero. As always I'm in it for Zero to be happy even if it takes Yuuki and all that she's done so far to make that happen. At least there were no true ass-pulls in this chapter which makes it better than the previous one.

sarroush said:
Kaname pisses me off to no end. Just die already. He was incredibly annoying in this chapter. I'm fine with Yuuki. Zero deserves better than this though. Poor guy.



I hated that part were he hold her like she was a prize or something.

And for Yuuki, well, I don't like her anymore, after a lot of moments calling her names, nice chapters where she and Zero had good moments and to the last chapter where she slept with Kaname, I lost the small feeling I had for her.

I just wish Zero can be happy, and away from Kurans...I would hate it if he would end up with Yuuki (and like someone said, maybe Kaname's unborn baby)

Is Kaname doing that on purpose?  To make Zero and Yuuki painful?  It's nice to see Takuma-sempai back, though.



Enemy intrusions...

Its wasn't good it wasn't bad, it was a pretty neutral chapter for me! I don't have a lot to say about it.  I did like Yuuki telling Kaname that there was no going back now. Good!  If he does die, No running back to Zero.. B**tch seems to think she can slam revolving doors! I swear if she does Though, I will tie Hino up under a bridge, thats what troll like right, Living under bridges?  I'm so mean lol, But she wasted my time and money!

I'm going to reitterate what Raven_Shinobi said in that in almost all shoujo related mangas, if the heroine has a harem of bishies to chose from, the one that she sleeps with first will end up being the end pairing. Now unless Hino intends to prove that what we saw in chapter 89 was simply a night of hugging (rofl - no) then a Zeki ending is by and large impossible. Good for me, good for you, like Eskimo neko too.



Anyone predicting she's already pregnant and that Zero has to take care of the child which would end up being called Kaname ... get your head out of the gutter. If this prediction comes to fruition they best add a 0 rating to the manga because that it is what it will deserve.



On a calmer note, does anyone with any particular clarity, have any idea how many (possibly hideous) chapters we have till this mangas completion?

Narutowolf77 said:

HikaruIzumi said:




Honestly, before I read this chapter I was like "What crap will this be?". Surprisingly it was quite fine. The only thing I'm really starting to get fed up with is Yuuki's indecisiveness. Seriously, just decide already and stick with it! Overall, I feel like nothing really happened in this chapter. We had FINALLY some more characters and a tea party. That's all. What the hell is with hunters being buddies with Kaname all of a sudden? It's not like any vampire can't claim to become the parent just to be protected. And why would they send Zero to protect them when he suffered a weird memory loss for no reason? Shouldn't they be trying to get him better or at least make him rest? Also, how could the mansion just get attacked out of the blue with 3 (probably) the most powerful vampires around? They should feel them or something! So many things that didn't make sense... but I guess for VK, it's not that bad.



TBH, I don't think Kaname was doing anything bad this chapter. Judging by how it is portraying him he was trying to make Zero remember (biting his loved one) or to make Yuuki realise she wants to be with Zero (so she wouldn't sacrifice herself for his sake) or both. The only "jerk" I see this chapter is Yuuki. Despite deciding to be with Kaname, she keeps showing signs of loving Zero without trying to hide them or any guilt. She is outright CRUEL to both Kaname and Zero. ESPECIALLY considering that she realises how much Kaname did for her (at least according to this chapter). That's just sick. I lost any and all respect I had for that girl. And at this point I feel like ending up with her is actually the BAD end for the guy.



Fully agree that Kaname's actions were him trying to save the Zeki ship. I don't understand why some Zeki fans are hating on him and saying he's "flaunting" Yuuki and treating her as a "prize" as though he's won. As someone on tumblr said he's on your side he wants your ship to happen (even if it isn't for Zero's sake but Yuuki's instead). If anyone should be upset with Kaname over his actions in this chapter it should be the YuMe fans but we're not. ???



I do disagree on what you said about Yuuki though, yes Yuuki is showing signs of still loving Zero even though she's chosen Kaname it's to be expected since that's not something you get over in just a day and she did try to hide it. She was the one who wanted to stay in her room, not see Zero, and talk to Kaname instead but Kaname forcibly brought her out and then after being forced to greet Zero she tried to make a hasty escape with Kaname but he stopped her again with the 'let's have tea' thing (speaking of which loved Yuuki's reaction in the little bubbles XD "Tea?" "Tea.") And she did say she felt uncomfortable with the whole situation when asked and finally she slapped Kaname and told him to stop trying to bring Zero into their problems. So no I don't think she was a "jerk" in this chapter. Yuuki was doing her best to stick with her decision and move on from Zero while Kaname kept trying to force Zero's memories to come back by using Yuuki. :)



I was actually quite proud of Yuuki for slapping Kaname and telling him to stop drying to place a wall of Zero flesh between them. It really showed her determination in sticking with her decision.



On your first paragraph, sending Zero could have been the Kaien or Kaito's idea for getting his memories back and I don't think he would rest even if they told him to XD

They'd probably have to strap him into a bed XD As for the hunters association being buddy buddy with Kaname it's because he's the one that has decided to be the new parent, I mean it's not like the HA has a bunch of vampire candidates lined up ready to toss their hearts into a furnace to make them vampire hunting weapons, plus it might need to be a pureblood that has to do it which just limits them even more to their choices. As for how the mansion could be attacked out of the blue and none of the vampires sensed it, well we don't know if they sensed it or not, we only saw the hunter perspective plus it could have been that the vampires somehow hid their presence until the mansion was surrounded.



My issue is that there are other ways Kaname could have tried to force Zero to remember that weren't nearly as torturous. And regardless of Kaname's actions I believe Zero would regain his memories anyway, not to mention I think Kaito handled it in a much more humane way.



I have to disagree that she'll ever 'get over Zero' as its been shown repeatedly that part of her will always belong to him. Her wanting to stay in the room away from Zero has more to do with awkwardness knowing what she's done to him and trying to avoid the feelings she knows still are within her for him, which even Kaname knows are there.



She was actually telling him to stop trying to bring Zero into their problems for Zero's sake not anything to do the relationship as she wanted to let Zero be freed from them. Unfortunately for her red string (wonder if anyone will get this ref xD) won't let that happen.



As for sending Zero to the mansion, I believe its simply that they're in a rush (since furnace is nearing completion) and that Zero is one of their best hunters (not to mention one of the only ones with an anti-vampire weapon in hand). Though I'd also toss in the whole red string too but I fully admit that this is a biased idea.



@HikaruIzumi

One thing that did happen in this chapter that was great imo was Shiki and Rima finally starting to move towards becoming official though I dunno if this counts as a 'big' thing to you though xD