Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion

yunaleia said:
Well there is another manga genre where the heroine can sleep with as many as she wants, its called smut ... unfortunately this isn't labled as such, though Yuuki could definately qualify as one ....



Don't also forget that this is a shoujo manga that's mainly aimed at teenage girls. In a shoujo manga, the concept of sex and a girl losing her virginity is treated more carefully, and the manga-ka tend to romanticize and glorify that moment.



In a shoujo manga, the heroine always  starts out as an "otome" (virgin), and she may kiss/be kissed by any number of guys throughout the series, but in the end, her virginity is only meant for the man that she loves. That's the genre's standard, and breaking it will only send the wrong message to the age group that the manga is aimed at.

yunaleia said:




Quoting myself again here, compliments of Raven_Shinobi in that in almost all shoujo related mangas, if the heroine has a harem of bishies to chose from, the one that she sleeps with first will end up being the end pairing. Now unless Hino intends to prove that what we saw in chapter 89 was simply a night of hugging (rofl - no) then a Zeki ending is by and large impossible. Good for me, good for you, like Eskimo neko too.



You telling me Hino intends to break that manga genre?!



I don't get what you're trying to prove with this, it has nothing to do with whether a Zeki ending is possible or that the one the heroine sleeps with first is the end pairing those ideas have to be separated from the characters themselves as the characters have their own agendas and wishes that are not influenced by tropes and genres.



Kaname WANTS Yuuki to be with Zero because he plans on dying. He doesn't want to leave Yuuki alone with no one to protect her. It has nothing to do with the end pair it's just the characters own desires.  Even if Hino has a KanaYuu ending planned it doesn't change the fact that Kaname is trying to force Zero and Yuuki together. It kind of reminds me of what Inaban was doing with Taichi and Nagase in Kokoro Connect.






Inaba tried to force Taichi and Nagase to become a couple despite loving Taichi herself because she thought they needed each other, albeit her ways were much more subtle than Kaname's, but in the end she was the one that ended up with Taichi.

Yay chapter 90!! Finally, it felt like it took so long to come out!!



The beginning of this chapter and then the end, it was so sad T.T

Kana-chan is so lonely and seems to believe he only exists to sacrifice himself for others. I'm glad Yuuki slapped him when he drank her blood (which is him clearly trying to awaken Zero's sealed memories), that's it Yuuki drag him back to reality and make him realize he doesn't need to sacrifice himself anymore and that you aren't going to abandon him and run back to Zero!! >.< I liked how she hugged him right after though :) it kind of reminded me of the Hinata slap how Hinata left her hand on Naruto's cheek afterwards which helped to retain her gentleness. Yuuki slapping Kaname and then hugging him was just like 'You're pissing me off so stop it! But I still love you." ^.^



But the real highlights of this chapter (besides all the beautiful YuMe moments)? The ShikiXRima moment and even more than that TAKUMA!!! My Tak-kun is back!! Anyone who has read my pro-KanaYuu posts on the forum they might assume that I'm a Kaname fangirl based off of how much I sympathize him, actually I'm a Takuma fangirl and I'm so SO SO glad he's back and acting like his old cheerful self again and being Kaname's best bro, worrying about him and caring about him and whatnot T.T Next to Yuuki, Takuma is probably the only one who understands Kaname and his loneliness.

If my disrespect of Kaname couldn't get any worse, this chapter just dropped it further. What tormentuous bastard goes around trying to stir up more trouble for not only his slave aka Yuuki, but also for an unsuspecting Zero, who right now is in the process of remembering not only Yuuki but what she did to make him forget.



I really cannot for the live of me get over Kanames devilish persona. You can call him an anti villain all you want, but I never once remembered Lelouch (Code Geass) going to these mental extremes. Change the world he may well do, but at the cost of two peoples lives who apparently one he loves and the other he cannot hate.



And whoever said that Kaname is *attempting to save the Zeki ship*, there is a word for this ... conceitedness. Don't attempt to dress up Kanames antics as a way of *saving* anything. He slept with Yuuki and knows that Zero knows nothing about it or his past to Yuuki as vampire or human whilst also knowing himself that Yuuki has memories of both and that she has lingering feelings for him in one form or another, be it love or simply as childhood friends. His deceit and arrogance know no bounds ...

Okay. let's put aside the hate for a moment, don't u think Kaname acting weird towards Yuuki at the end of this chapter?

i think this is a possibility:



- Kaname want to erase Yuuki Memories about him in her heart (just like Yuuki did to Zero)

- Kaname want to unconscious Yuuki so he can get out from the mansion without Yuuki

- Kaname want to have a 2nd round with Yuuki (i like this 1 though) xD

i just got the feeling yuuki gonna be with zero...but I really hope its just my absurd feeling, kuran siblings should just die n leave zero alone!!!



yeah, just my hopeful wish but sadly i'm not the writer,



but still there's kaze moment that can satisfy my yaoi fangirl (not much but enough for my wild imagination),XDDD

margeaux202 said:
I didn't mind this chapter so much.  I agree with other posters in that Kaname is totally trying to revive the Zeki ship.  At the beginning of the chapter, she says that it's almost as if Kaname can't live unless he's using his life for someone else- so his deciding to become the new parent substance could be his way of trying to ensure Yuki has a good life (that's the way I look at it anyways).  

And yes! Good to see Shiki, Rima and Aido once again!



I don't know why people are confused over why Zero and Kaito were sent to the Kuran mansion...I think it's quite clear that the Association wants to protect the person who said he'd become the new parent, and Zero/Kaito have been the best hunters at the association for many chapters now! But obvs it also has to do with Zero regaining his memories of Yuki back too :P



Chapter 88/89 was the big drama chapter.  This one was really just about drawing out what happened after the climax of chapter 89.  So I agree with the previous posters who said they were "neutral" on this chapter; I am too.



Personally, I'm not pissed at Yuki or tired of Kaname's drama or sad for Zero.  I have definitely connected with all of these characters for sure, but this is the story Hino is telling.  I don't think she would end this story with a mediocre ending. This is the same mangaka who told the first half of VK that everyone loves so much, after all.

Raven_Shinobi said:

yunaleia said:
Well there is another manga genre where the heroine can sleep with as many as she wants, its called smut ... unfortunately this isn't labled as such, though Yuuki could definately qualify as one ....



Don't also forget that this is a shoujo manga that's mainly aimed at teenage girls. In a shoujo manga, the concept of sex and a girl losing her virginity is treated more carefully, and the manga-ka tend to romanticize and glorify that moment.



In a shoujo manga, the heroine always  starts out as an "otome" (virgin), and she may kiss/be kissed by any number of guys throughout the series, but in the end, her virginity is only meant for the man that she loves. That's the genre's standard, and breaking it will only send the wrong message to the age group that the manga is aimed at.



And that is my main problem with this manga as it is now. The stage has been firmly set for Yuuki to be with Kaname and at least for me, the manga is now ruined because of it.



Using your points, true as they are; not arguing, why o' why does it seem that a small fraction of people, naming no names, think that Kaname is playing his usual mind games on Yuuki to get her back with Zero if the shoujo manga genre is as you described? Again your point on it "breaking the standard" makes this claim even more astoundingly silly ...



For the record, I am not a Zeki shipper or indeed a Yume shipper, the problem I have is how these two came together (no pun intended) when for so many chapters it felt that she was leaning towards Zero whilst accepting that as the last pure blood she had an obligation to deal with Kaname, not bed him ...