Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion
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But anyway it's always been the feeling of her intentions I've gotten.
I've never actually seen School Days in all honesty- and have no intention to see it (It's a bit funny you mentioned it, I had been planning to mention it as a outcome like some that happened in my mom's daytime soaps in regards to the plot twist of a character sleeping with one or more people to see who they really cared for)- Thankfully Orulyon warned me about School days some years ago when she realized I couldn't take that kind of disturbing violence >_<;
Good call, dont. And the violence part is ... psychotic, I'll leave it at that. I have read the manga and watched the anime and in both it has left even me in a state of bewilderment (crazy author *shudders again*).
Yuukis character is like a colander. It has shape and form, but has far too many holes to be able to hold a decent role. Hino keeps piling in all these late character defining attributes about Yuuki, except they wash away through the empty spaces she has left in the plot of the story and in the way in which Yuuki has been developed.
Picking up on your comment about the "vamped" part of the story. I personally believe that if Yuuki had been given the choice to go human or vampire by having her history fully revealed, this would have lessened the dramatic impact of her decisions in the latter chapters. If she had chosen to go vampire with Kaname, you could have written Zeki off immediately. I doubt Zeros character would allow a previous vampire, now vampire, to be his first love if she willingly chose to become something he hates passionately to his marrow. Her mind rape of Zero for instance, again, if she had chosen to go vampire and then conducted the assault, as a reader you knew that she would be capable of this. However as it stands, the mind rape saga seems like a plot device for another drama later ahead due to Yuukis consistency to be confused.
I'm still awaiting for the almighty bang when Zero actually admits to what he thinks about Yuuki. What will she do when he finally just confesses that he loves her ... Will she go all "But ... I ..." again or indeed will these be the words she has been waiting for? ... In almost either case there will be joy and sorrow, laughter and crying in the fandom world. I just wonder if this could have been made easier if the confusion was laid completely to rest 40 chapters ago.
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Narutowolf77 said:
yunaleia said:
Show her where her heart belongs?! I officially give up trying .... I know this is a manga of fantasy, but where in your logic does the profile of a man bedding a woman to show said woman how much she cares for another man fall under? Maybe this is one of those female topics that only females understand ... I dunno ... but in my sense of logic that scenario is FUBAR. You "untwisted" nothing as far as my interpretation goes ... that's just beyond any comprehension in fantasy or reality ...
You love him don't you?
Maybe ... I'm not sure
Okay lets have sex so you can be sure
Alright
Ehhhhhhhhh?!?!?!
Actually yeah it works and it's been done before, usually the woman will have sex with the guy and then afterwards she realizes she doesn't love him because she didn't really feel any emotion (other than the usual you know pleasure one) it's generally used more often when it comes to kissing a guy will kiss a girl and she'll realize that she doesn't love him because she didn't feel anything in the kiss but I think in Kaname's case just kissing her wouldn't work since they have kissed before and it didn't cause her to realize that she loves Zero or that she doesn't love him. One example of this that I can think of off the top of my head comes from the manga Stepping on Roses when Nozomu takes Sumi to an inn and attempts to make love with her she realizes that she is only attracted to him, she doesn't love him.
I can understand Narutowolf77 perfectly and agree with it. Partially I understand it because I grew up watching my mom's soap-operas when she did.
And there was a LOT of sleeping around in those, though it was never graphic (I shouldn't have been watching it at 3- but she wasn't aware of my paying attention to it as I was growing up) anyway, there were situations like the one Narutowolf77 suggests all of the time (I also mentioned a similar theory in the thread for chap 89) sometimes the situations worked and the idiot/confused girl would figure out WHO she loved.
In some occasions though it was a guy sleeping around to see which woman he cared for and they found out and he was in deep crap with both (Think something akin to a school days situation in some cases).
In any case I know the suggested situation well, from soaps as well as some novels and it's aparently in manga also, though I haven't run into any yet.Narutowolf77 said:
yunaleia said:
Show her where her heart belongs?! I officially give up trying .... I know this is a manga of fantasy, but where in your logic does the profile of a man bedding a woman to show said woman how much she cares for another man fall under? Maybe this is one of those female topics that only females understand ... I dunno ... but in my sense of logic that scenario is FUBAR. You "untwisted" nothing as far as my interpretation goes ... that's just beyond any comprehension in fantasy or reality ...
You love him don't you?
Maybe ... I'm not sure
Okay lets have sex so you can be sure
Alright
Ehhhhhhhhh?!?!?!
Actually yeah it works and it's been done before, usually the woman will have sex with the guy and then afterwards she realizes she doesn't love him because she didn't really feel any emotion (other than the usual you know pleasure one) it's generally used more often when it comes to kissing a guy will kiss a girl and she'll realize that she doesn't love him because she didn't feel anything in the kiss but I think in Kaname's case just kissing her wouldn't work since they have kissed before and it didn't cause her to realize that she loves Zero or that she doesn't love him. One example of this that I can think of off the top of my head comes from the manga Stepping on Roses when Nozomu takes Sumi to an inn and attempts to make love with her she realizes that she is only attracted to him, she doesn't love him.
I suggested a similar situation in the thread for the last chap. In my case I've run into it in novels, and my mom's soap-operas that she watched when I was growing up.
Haven't seen any manga with it yet but I believe it's the situation here, and while I agree, it's a seriously F'ed up way for them to handle it. And I personal am not thrilled with it. I have run into it often enough for it to be a serious consideration.
I love Zero, Cross, Aidou and yup, Yuuki still. She has screwed up royally. And been incredibly stupid at times.
But she's also suppose to be a 17 year old girl, who has been through a lot, had to deal with having her memories and powers locked away, in a traumatic way, brought back suddenly, also, she's been threatened and so on.
So, considering her age, the situations she's been in and all of the people who kept and possibly are still keeping things from her.
I think her reactions, confusion and stupidity have been reasonable if the author was trying to flesh her out to be a realistic character. But that's my opinion.
I also think Zero has made mistakes that also can at times be attributed to the same things, his past, the traumatic events in it, his age and so on.
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I agree with you, believe it or not lol. Completely. So, I'm at least one person who won't be mad/annoyed with you for saying it.
I started out liking Zero. Kaname I didn't care about either way, but then I started liking him as much as Zero.... however, after he turned her, and started acting more openly and we started seeing more of his personality and his mind games, My like of him quickly diminished. Then when he "Killed" Aidou's father I was done with him (I still don't understand what the reason for that
charade was fully. other than to get people to hate him. If so wonderfully done in my case).
I liked Zero a bit less when Yuuki managed to convince him that she had killed the original yuuki.... I think that shouldn't have been believed so easily. But that's neither here nor there, I figured that had to do with his emotions being screwed with, and to a point it was understandable.
Was afraid I might have gone off on a tangent few would look down, but if you understand NTR, and how it works, the way in which Yuuki has been transformed is startling similar if you consider the scenarios I played out above.
The problem with NTR girls is that they rarely ever go back once consumed. In that regard I am predicting an early death for Zeki (sorry fans).
Kaname is a Leloch wanabe. But Ichiros version is much, much better. An anti-hero that really did delve through the 9 rings of hell to *protect* what he thought was important. Kaname can barely hold a candle to this plight.
I might start writing a port folio about Kaname and his wrongs just to point out the flaws of Yuuki. Who'd have thought, using the character I dislike most, to make the another character I currently detest look worse ... glorious ...