Vampire Knight Chapter 90 Discussion

yunaleia said:
Randomxxxx said:
I am hoping Kaname dies to save Zero or something in a way to atone for destroying his life.



No no no! This cannot happen. Why? Because it will be another joker card from the Kaname fanbase to *prove* that he is being a selfless anti-hero. This in turn will add a demeaning factor to Zeros character as he would then have a debt to Kaname (a debt to a pureblood vampire more precisely).



He owes Kaname nothing at present. The whole idea of him attempting to *save the Zeki ship* is an idolisation of two characters, both Yuuki and Kaname, being *helpful* towards Zero.



My ideal ending is actually leaning towards Zero dying (here me out first) by saving Kaname before he throws himself in the furnace. Yuuki then ends up losing both of her male interests, Kaname finally gets his wish and Zero can pass away in the knowledge that a pureblood vampire owed him a debt that he now cannot repay and Yuuki would know of it. The end result is that Zero can be at peace in death, Kaname can die and be forgotten about and Yuuki can cry in despair because she has no man to coddle her ... HA! ...



WUT? NO. So after all the years of intense pain that Zero has been through, besides having the misfortune of being in love with the crappiest heroine ever, he would die at end?

Fuck no. That boy cannot die without feeling true happiness at least once in his life. Id rather see him go gay with Kaito.



Edefrem said:
I'll murder someone, kick a puppy and scream at a baby if Zeki happens.

Ill flip all tables around me and stab a voodoo doll with Hino´s face XP *kidding*

But you know Im just so sick and tired of Hino´s bad writing. She used to make cool stories like Merupuri...long, long time ago...





And guys dont turn all your hate to Kaname. EVERYTHING IS YUUKI´S FAULT. EVERYTHING. It was her indecisiveness who did this shit.

But for god´s sake, Kaname should just stop manipulating Zero already. If he wants someone to protect Yuuki, ask her adoptive dad, dont bring Zero again in to the mess. He used him to protect Yuuki in her childhood. Then discarded Zero and left with Yuuki (he even wanted to kill Zero for him pointing the gun at her), then he suddenly remembers of a random ancestress and decides to die for humanity (for the sake of the humans?!!! I think he forgot to apply that rule in the DAY HE RELEASED SHIZUKA KNOWING THAT SHE WOULD GO TO KILL AN ENTIRE HUMAN FAMILY.

And now he decides to die for "humanity"?!!! *hey Zero I need you again after all, come back!*

Now that he is going to die he is making it seem like it is Zero´s duty and obligation to have Yuuki as a wife. That´s low.

Its like Kaname saying *Here take her! It has to be YOU. REMEMBER HER. STAY WITH HER, LIVE FOR HER, BECAUSE YES. BECAUSE SHE NEEDS YOU AND I DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS JUST HERS*



kapwned said:
If Yuuki ends up pregnant, she and Zero will NOT be together in the end.

*looks at the plot holes*

Its VK, everything can happen.

But I do think Kaname used a condom. He is the responsible type and the sex was planned.

Ah this manga's ending going to be a sh*t. If Kaname dies(die die die die) then probably Yuuki is going to born his child and be with Zero, and that is going to be wtf. If Kaname is going to be alive then poor Zero life was made miserable for nothing, good job-.-

I really hate this manga-.-

Show her where her heart belongs?! I officially give up trying .... I know this is a manga of fantasy, but where in your logic does the profile of a man bedding a woman to show said woman how much she cares for another man fall under? Maybe this is one of those female topics that only females understand ... I dunno ... but in my sense of logic that scenario is FUBAR. You "untwisted" nothing as far as my interpretation goes ... that's just beyond any comprehension in fantasy or reality ...



You love him don't you?

Maybe ... I'm not sure

Okay lets have sex so you can be sure

Alright



Ehhhhhhhhh?!?!?!

yunaleia said:
I suppose if the idea was to flesh out Yuukis character using those criteria, Hino should have done it sooner in honesty. It feels like within 4-5 episodes Yuuki has from *meh okay* status to *wtf woman!*.



If Yuuki had played out to be a confused teenager from the moment she was "vamped" then that would have made sense up to now. Instead what we have is a woman who has shown characteristics from like 4-5 different personas mixed into one. Confused, then direct, then insecure, then forceful and then and then and then, ad infinitum.



One thing about School Days however (uber shudder!!!) is that it was ear marked as a tradegy from the start, so something bad was going to happen eventually. This manga has never had that vibe thus far ... but that could change ...





Well, in all honesty- thats always been the feel I got from Yuuki- since she was turned. The fact that she was so many things at once (Or rather transferring from one to another with almost no break between them) I agree that Hino did a horrible job of it if that's what she was aiming for.

Personally- I can say that I likely would have handled it differently. But anyway it's always been the feeling of her intentions I've gotten.

I've never actually seen School Days in all honesty- and have no intention to see it (It's a bit funny you mentioned it, I had been planning to mention it as a outcome like some that happened in my mom's daytime soaps in regards to the plot twist of a character sleeping with one or more people to see who they really cared for)- Thankfully Orulyon warned me about School days some years ago when she realized I couldn't take that kind of disturbing violence >_<;



But that's neither here nor there honestly, sorry about getting off track. I do agree that she hasn't been portrayed well. I can't say if that was Hino's intention or not- but her situation was a train wreck waiting to happen from the first bite from Kaname. If you look at it another way though, he could have told her everything without even turning her.



He could have explained everything. She seemed the kind of character that would believe his story if he had sat down and explained everything first.

The way I look at it she's a poorly portrayed confused teenager, who had her say in the matter of #1 becoming human and #2 becoming a vampire taken away in both cases.

He also would have had Cross to back his story up in that situation as well.

But from my point of view- he hasn't really done anything with the outright intention to harm Zero- everything she's done has been because of her confusion and the situations she was thrust in.



I agree, she's been stupid at times. And she has been poorly portrayed if the intention was to flesh her out in the manner I suggested.

But from what I can tell her intention was never to hurt Zero. But that's my opinion. It doesn't make her actions any less stupid though. My main problem is with Hino's inability to handle the situations better than she has.

I've seen some other mangas from her, and they were also disappointments because she seemed to not flesh out her female characters in the manner they needed and at the time it was needed.

I think it's something she seriously needs to work on as an author.

OMG anyone else agree that yuuki should just die? (no wait i know you do)



its the only saving grace any of us can get at this point. JUST DIE FOR KANAME IT'S WHAT YOU WANT! poor fucking zero. ugh. someone give that boy a hug. or some powerful hallucinogenics so he can just forget who the fuck he is and all of the butthurt whores that comprise the rest of the characters in this manga.



i am STILL mindblown by the whole fucking sex scene and yuuki's (and the plot's) 180 (again). seriously. what the fuck was going on in this chapter. what is kaname even thinking? clearly his mind has turned into complete dog shit after the millions of years he's been alive. how about yuuki dies to make him human and then he jumps in the furnace anyway because hes completely touched in the head? sounds good to me. zero can go back to his little horse in the stable and live happily ever after. everyone else can jump off a cliff.

Finished Stepping on Roses ... Wow ... makes this love triangle look pale by comparison, but then again it was labelled as psychological (mangafox).



The part you quoted was at the beginning ... so Sumi had romanticised about Nozomu originally, however she is now beginning to see the *real* Nozomu, this probably takes the edge away from love(crush) down to just an attraction. Sho on the other hand went the other way, Sumi married him for money (feels almost like Hapi Mari) then started to feel attracted to him, and just as Nozomu abducts her on the beach she starts to realise those feelings probably go a little deeper.



Not sure you can really compare this to VK in that regard, theres far too much going on in Roses for my liking to make decent comparisons.

yunaleia said:





Show her where her heart belongs?! I officially give up trying .... I know this is a manga of fantasy, but where in your logic does the profile of a man bedding a woman to show said woman how much she cares for another man fall under? Maybe this is one of those female topics that only females understand ... I dunno ... but in my sense of logic that scenario is FUBAR. You "untwisted" nothing as far as my interpretation goes ... that's just beyond any comprehension in fantasy or reality ...



You love him don't you?

Maybe ... I'm not sure

Okay lets have sex so you can be sure

Alright



Ehhhhhhhhh?!?!?!



Actually yeah it works and it's been done before, usually the woman will have sex with the guy and then afterwards she realizes she doesn't love him because she didn't really feel any emotion (other than the usual you know pleasure one) it's generally used more often when it comes to kissing a guy will kiss a girl and she'll realize that she doesn't love him because she didn't feel anything in the kiss but I think in Kaname's case just kissing her wouldn't work since they have kissed before and it didn't cause her to realize that she loves Zero or that she doesn't love him. One example of this that I can think of off the top of my head comes from the manga Stepping on Roses when Nozomu takes Sumi to an inn and attempts to make love with her she realizes that she is only attracted to him, she doesn't love him.

yunaleia said:




I'm still awaiting for the almighty bang when Zero actually admits to what he thinks about Yuuki. What will she do when he finally just confesses that he loves her ... Will she go all "But ... I ..." again or indeed will these be the words she has been waiting for? ... In almost either case there will be joy and sorrow, laughter and crying in the fandom world. I just wonder if this could have been made easier if the confusion was laid completely to rest 40 chapters ago.



Again, I agree- if things were laid out in a better way 40 chapters ago it could have been much better. At the moment, I currently feel like I'm watching a train wreck.

I know it's bad, but the curiosity and shock (at the unbelievably stupid actions piling one on top of another) at the things happening and that WILL happen, makes me unable to stop.

As it is, the only character I really dislike at this time (Main chara that is) is Kaname. I didn't care one way or the other about him until this chapter. There was not much reason for him to carry her around like a trophy, even if Zero didn't remember.

It was still mean and vindictive to him and to her to do that.