Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

Off Topic - just spent the best part of an hour trying to make an account to rant and it will STILL be worth it. /rant



Okay, I have read 100's of manga's to do with very serious love triangles such as this, however I have gone out of my way to make a post about this one chapter as it has infuriated me to within an inch of sending my personal opinion to the mangika.



I won't refer to the characters by name because I don't think it makes any difference to that which I am most stressed about. My example is thus, Man A and B both love woman C. This love is amassed through issues with life and issues with themselves. Woman C knows this fact however she has a *double persona*. One of which is a 17 year old woman who up until recently was a human. She is now the 2nd/3rd strongest vampire in current exsistence due to her lineage. These are her personas.



She is fully aware of both Man A and B loving her. For reasons that can only be construed as confusion, she has yet to determine which man will receive her fullest attention. As a woman she has a huge crush on A and a seemingly tsundere relationship with B. As a vampire she is the sister/fiancé of A and now has a questionably close relationship with B as he is turning into a ghoul, perhaps through sympathy or maybe something else.



Now to where my frustrations lie most. As a woman she had the power to love both equally and perhaps through a not so friendly rivalry, A and B could have battled it out to win over said woman. In most love triangles this is cliché but not boring with the right script. However, she is now a vampire, with power no less. Man A is trying to protect her from the pain of being a pureblood whilst also trying to complete a plan to end a war with the humans. Noble. Man B is madly in love with her, despite knowing he is a breed of person who should hunt vampires. Both a gesture of the human heart and the power love. At this point the war between A and B over the vampire female looks interesting, but that is about to end in 1 chapter out of 89.



Forgetting that as a woman she felt love for both A and B, and also forgetting her place as a person, she decides to take action by alterating the stasis quo by removing her presense, forcefully. Forcing it onto a man who did not want to forget. Despicable is one word, but many more I could right save for it not being decent for a forum to read. She then later finds about the intensions of A and in what appears to me a bid to stop him from commiting seppuku admits her love for him and then later beds him.



...



Infuriating? Not even close. There have been heroines who I have wished would just die. But none have come to close to what I now feel, for Yuuki Kuran. I hope that when Zero regains his memories, the first person he puts a bullet through the head of, is Yuuki. Not out of spite, not out of hatred or anger, but purely for having the arrogance and audacity to take which is not hers. Feelings. Memories. Love. My personal hatred for this woman *and in some parts for the mangika for writing that script* is currently infinite ...

ragingx said:
Mooniechick said:
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I agree with you on Kaname but I still can't not rage on the image of her sleeping with him and him going along with it. It just makes little to no sense and is sure as h*ll not romantic in that context. And nope never heard of that show or whatever it may be.



Well its true but honestly it doesn't affect my view on him at all. He has many many other reasons for me to dislike him than this. I love the Juuri and Haruka pairing even though they are brother and sister I could care less as I do get that they care for each other (and Haruka is just awesome xD) If the story backs up them being together then incest is merely a side note. Another reason I hate 89 is that it broke where the story was going to go into a completely different route that makes little sense.



I get your point and believe me, I am not too happy about seeing Yuuki and Kaname in bed together either. But what is a person to do when the power lays with the mangaka?? Hino-sensei is the one who failed so many Zero-fans.

Narutowolf77 said:
ragingx said:




Um don't kill me or anything but what was the chapter that those pages go to and what were we talking about? ._. I completely forgot what we were talking about in the time since we last talked. I've had my head knee-deep in Nisekoi and re-watching Blood Plus so my mind has been distracted ._. like I said don't kill for this.



Well to me this is the only way I don't get annoyed with Kaname constantly doting on her. Well yeah I guess it may be idealism but its just how I see it, might be because I don't have a sister thus I imagine its how I may be towards one. This is one of my reasons for being more for Zeki than Yume (is there a difference between this and KanaYuu? cause I'm really trying not to offend you or anyone else here cause my close friend told me I was a bit too harsh in my last response so I'm honestly trying to watch what I say, ugh I may have been tamed >.>)



Haha, no problem ^.^



It's from chapter 64 (pages 28 and 29)



Here's the quotes from our conversation



ragingx said:


Again Kaname has been in love with the Ancestress, iirc he even saw her in Yuuki though I'll have to go back and look it up later. He treats her as he would a little sister not a lover (the constant coddling, spoiling, and giving in to her wishes). She's in love with BOTH Zero and Kaname thus the idea that this could explain her actions falls short.



Narutowolf77 said:


Also I think the moment you're thinking of is in chapter 64:



Kaname internal dialogue: "In my childish mind, I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before. And then, for some reason, I thought, this time I want to keep protecting this warmth."



He could have been referring to the Ancestress when he said "I felt that I had seen those eyes somewhere before" but it's more likely that it was the 'vision' of Yuuki herself (from earlier in the chapter) that he is referring to.



If you're asking if there's a difference between Yume and KanaYuu then not really, it's just the fans preference for how they refer to the pairing. I use both but tend use Yume more since the romanized version looks like the Japanese word for 'dream' and I kind of feel the word dream is a bit poetic/romantic in a sense ^.^' So you don't mind me using Yume? Its just easier to type and its also the one I've been running into the most on forums like these.



Now see to me it would seem that he's referring to the ancestress because of the 'this time I want to keep protecting this warmth' as in he failed with the ancestress thus  in Yuuki he sees a second chance.

Sabamiki said:




I think I can forgive what she has done (as hard as that is). But I really, really want her to think things through more carefully. Then again, I'm certain that this side of Yuki we're seeing is no accident by Hino or a result of 'poor writing'. It goes to show that love sure as hell isn't sunshine and rainbows. It changes people, for better and worse. Makes them lose sight of what's truly important sometimes. It makes them selfish and selfless. Warm and cold.



I guess in a way I can thank Hino for exploring all of this.



That's very well said :)

Ah yeah, It's not just Kaname wanting her to do something he likes but also she probably understands herself to be a "vampire princess" of the Kuran clan and must be fitting of the role she is in. Kuran clan were the most prestigious of all and the pureblood family that always ruled over all vampires weren't they? She probably knows she can't carry on as tomboyish as she's been as a human so she won't bring shame to Kaname in front of the people that expect beauty and grace out of her. So doing those things he likes might also be a "newfound' status thing for her...  :))



I agree the outcome depends on Hino but as narutowolf has said , Hino-sensei has made comments about "yuuki being where she belongs" (with Kaname) that's why I'm still able to believe that they're destined for each other in Hino's eyes, but time will tell ..

I have a feeling Zero will most likely catch Yuuki and Kaname together and his memory will start to come back.



Hope not because that would be a horrible way for him to remember but its just a feeling.

K so I couldn't help but the read the chapter .. 1, 2, 3.... 20 more times and more observations and more comments so here I go.



So like is kaname wearing his shirt during their love making scene



So why is yuuki crying while they are in bed?



Is it the fact that he's gonna throw his heart in the furnace or because she's loosing her virginity or because she's regretting or she's overjoyed or what but she definitely doesn't look over joyed and it better not be because of regret if not I'm dropping the manga ( which is next to impossible) and going to Japan to give three shots to hino matsuri.



One for wasting my time

One for getting my hopes up for a yuuki and kaname ending

One for letting me get addicted to vk and letting me dowm!



I sacrifice a lot for this manga! And ppl (that r not into mangas) tease me all the the time cause its kind of impossible to not talk about your obsession even when no one wants to hear ... Tsk.



She better update fast and do a bonus of giving two chapters at least, at a time.... Tsk



Ok so I knw that yuuki and kaname are meant to be because even though she likes zero (which just pisses me off, don't like love triangles) it kinda obvious that she will end up with kaname.... Why



1) kaname had a vision of yuuki

     In the past, so from the novels I read it's usually the one you meet first that you end up with ;)



2) kaname really loves yuuki

   Has waited along time. It

   Would be stupid that after

   The ten years of waiting

   She then goes to zero. If that

  happens I'm ashamed to

  Have been obsessing over the

  Manga. If that happened, there would be no point of this manga



3) these little more scenes

   That hino put up of kaname

  Killing pure bloods, was to

  Show yuuki how much she loved Kaname well all  u can see that kaname has given yuuki a chance (indirectly) with zero but nothing happened between them. And! Wasn't it zero that kissed yuuki? Not the other way around?, I'm not sure, but she didn't respond..,...I think. Gosh!!! Yuuki stop with the mixed feelings. I swear Hino is driving me crazy!!



4) zero is just an obstacle ( sowi kero and yuuki fans.. >_< don't eat me pls ) that

  Yuuki has finally taken care of         by erasing his memories of her.  Even though they wa she did it was quite cruel, well love ain't easy. Now that zero's memories are gone there's no going back .... She now has kaname to concentrate on



5) chairman counts on yuuki to hold kaname back from flinging his heart into the furnance, so well I just hope she's able to keep him in bed.... And that won't be their last time together. So.... Yeah



BUT! There is a tendency that zero will remember ... And then if this happens the manga will just become complicated.... There are so many ways this could go.



1) zero could remember his memories and decide not to tell anyone.



2) zero could remember and remember her cruelty and decide to kill her ( which is next to impossible)



So!

My conclusion is that ...... The manga has gone into a twist ... Yeah I'm wishing ya luck hino-sensei so don't let moi down.





Vk forever!! ^_^

Demcrin said:
IchigoHollowfi said:
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I still believe in Yuuki x Zero D:!

This.



I still have hopes that they will end up together as well.



May be best if Zero never finds out his love was deflowered by one of his most despised enemies though.