Vampire Knight Chapter 89 Discussion

Narutowolf77 said:
a bright, beautiful, strong young woman.



Disagree ... hugely. I was all for openly accepting what you were saying until this bit. Bright? No. The decisions she has made were made with her own personal feelings placed first and foremost. Taking away Zero's memories in an effort to make his life better is not for her to decide. You can call it forgiveness, but I still pertain it to being, as exactly quoted from the manga page, arrogance. Total arrogance.



The other two adjectives are totally up to ones personal opinion.



I was never really interested in either ship being sailed. Kaname is her fiancé (also brother, that bit still distrubs me) and Zero has been that childhood friend, confidént and moreover one of her closest friends. But this chapter, has set her back in my mind to that of which I cannot fully explain on a forum without sanction ...

@Kaname_NA



I don't think there is really an area basis its just people that like certain traits go with certain characters imo. To me its another story not really about genre title (I also read and loved Shinobi Life which is in this genre) and tbh I've stuck to it to see what happens to Zero. I don't know about 'loving Zero' cause Hino has repeatedly raked him over hot coals =.= Well as a writer myself I say that it shouldn't be based on personal preference but where the story develops it to go to. I actually see possibility of Zeki still happening but it really depends on Hino.



Again I can't agree with this belief as I believe that you love someone for what they are. I care for a friend of mine currently because of how she is and I wouldn't ask her to change a single thing about herself as those things make her the person I care about thus these are the things that make me happy. Imo a person shouldn't be expected or asked to change anything about themselves as then they're not being themselves, or the person I fell for, but instead they've crossed into objectifying territory.



I've cared for and allowed exactly 2 people to get close to me in the manner you're implying. And in neither case did I try to alter them. The one right now knows how I am and accepts me as I am and vice versa. If she were to change anything about her I don't know if I'd really be happy as it would be her anymore but more just my fantasy placed onto her.



As a Zeki fan I don't know if I could truly root for them to succeed but I won't insult it either, I just want something different. Welcome to my feeling in regards to Yuuki and Zero when they're apart from each other or before Zero had accepted his feelings for her even as a pureblood and was being distant to her, though I can understand this.



When Yuuki changed to her pureblood form it caused a rift in Zero, partially because of his lineage and partially because some part of him believed the pureblood had 'eaten' the human Yuuki (sort of like if pureblood Yuuki had killed the human in front of him). Over time he started accepting her and realizing that the pureblood Yuuki hadn't really destroyed the one he remembered but rather merged with her thus he started to allow himself to feel for her again. Kaname accepting the pureblood Yuuki isn't that hard of a thing since she's the one he knew before so this isn't a large transition for him as opposed to Zero, who only knew the human Yuuki.  



The human Yuuki will always hold a place in Zero's heart but the pureblood Yuuki was also gaining a place as well so its really not a matter of one or the other. I have to disagree with notion of pureblood Yuuki being the 'true her' as I believe both human and pureblood Yuuki's are two sides of the same personality and in this sense are both a 'true her', if not would she have retained some of the human Yuuki's traits? I personally think that Zero will regain his memories as I think his love and will power are strong enough to accomplish it. Even if Zero doesn't regain his memories and meets the once again human Yuuki I believe that they will get together since they would still be the same core people as they were before and over time would grow close again. Oh and the name of the pureblood you're thinking of is Isaya and yeah Kaname asked for him to change Yuuki back to human.



Again I'm biased in this regard as I'd be fully in support of this as its in a sense a form of 'rebirth' for both Zero and Yuuki. Oh and in regard to writing a lot, welcome to my world again xD I tend to do that a lot. I don't doubt Kaname's feelings for Yuuki or her's for him but I also don't think that those feelings out-weigh the ones between Zero and Yuuki. I would've stuck around regardless since I want to see the story unfold.

Had to make an account to add my (well, my sister's, really) two cents....



To be honest, I don't really care much for Vampire Knight. However, it's my sister's favorite manga and she's constantly sharing details of the latest chapter and/or an epiphany she's had about the plot or characters.



That aside, she just mentioned something that I found to be rather true:



If Kaname hadn't killed Zero's parents and blahblahblah, Zero would have never fallen in love with Yuuki. Had Kaname left Zero and his family alone, the only way Zero and Yuuki would've ever had a chance to interact would be through Kaien..... something about how he's an ex-hunter and Zero's parents would've still been hunters (most likely).....



Meh, it made more sense when my sis said it :P

I guess not a lot of love for this chapter, as for me.. i like it though.. ^^a

wow, don's sue me now, i just saying this becuz i'm such a fan to both of kaname and zero..

Yuki did kiss zero, but she already gave up zero when she is erasing his memory of her, so i guess it's fine by me when she is go to have some love scene with kaname (she's being vunerable and sad at that time too,becuz of zero thing and at last knowing what kaname real plot) this is just how Hino sensei gave some to Zero fans and Kaname fans at the same time.. ^^

Through all that suffering Zero deserves to be with her since its apparent he truly loves her, he deserves her more than Kaname which is one reason why I still hope for a Zeki outcome but alas it sadly seems Zero is meant to be constantly hurt which just annoys me.

Obviously he is slightly treating her as "his" in the few instances you see shes wearing cute dresses and high heels because he likes it , and likes her beautiful long hair, and she rebelled and cut off her hair when she was like "i love you so i must KILL YOU" xD



its not like hes trying to change her but she wants to do those little things that make him happy because that's what being in love is like



in large part, you can see he has her wrapped around his little finger and she is absolutely smitten by hiim and listens to almost everything he asks of her and will take his side/accept his opinions always  xD





And hii narutowolf thank you :D I love seeing fellow "Yume" lovers! They've been my OTP since forever, but once he made her a vampire and I found out they had a past before her memory blockage that was it for me, I was sold on this pairing and knew there was no other pairing to root for :))  I love Kaname so much , when I played dota 1 for a few years my name was Kaname and the reason my name is Kaname_NA is cause Kaname is my league of legends summoner name bahaha xD



I'm crazy about this character and if there is any character I could bring to life it would most definitely be Kaname. He is the most gentle and sweetest character I've ever seen in any story and I've been moved by his feelings for Yuuki and vice versa for many years now =] You could say she's living my dream of getting to be with the most beautiful creation in all of history and through her my desire is satisfied xD Kaname samaaaa<3

Did... Yuuki just sleep with Kaname...?

I'm going to be sick. I'm done with this manga.

Stupid girl.

Kaname_NA said:
We are opposites then raging because I love seeing a romance that has such strong feelings and complete devotion, it seems more pure and an unrelenting love to me that way x) I guess me and hino-sensei have the same taste in romance :P (aren't I lucky) maybe that's why I have followed their story as long as I have. To the normal person it seems obsessive, controlling...but to me, it seems passionate and eternal. Feelings that will last forever.



Which is a good deal if you're a vampire :)

And honestly that's fine as we're two different people that probably have different personalities and things we value/dislike. Though this shouldn't impact anything too much as long as neither of us tries to truly insult the others' opinions. I agree that on both sides (Zero and Kaname) the romance is strong, in each character's own way their devotions are strong, both do have a strong love that won't fade, and Yuuki truly does return both their love. I really do think it depends on what character's personality you tend to relate to, for me its Zero (tsundere) and for you I assume, don't want to put words in your mouth so to speak, its Kaname (deredere).



Well technically all 3 of them are vampires so I guess its a good time for them? xD



I am honestly trying to ride a non-biased train of thought on this, though I fully admit to being a Zeki but really I just don't see the need to try and judge which love is stronger. Both sides have equally good reasons for their opinions.