Vampire Knight Chapter 86 Discussion

Well, my take on this is:

Yes, she said she belonged to Kaname.

And that she couldn't live with Zero.

However, She didn't say she loved Kaname or didn't love Zero.

Also Zero himself made a good point.

He said that it seemed like everything since they met was a set up, which it was. Therefore their feelings for each-other might not have been real, and in him saying that, I see it as meaning that he thinks theirs still a chance for them. If their feelings before weren't real, but the product of their situations and such, than knowing that, they may very well fall in love again or more deeply, or for real this time (However you want to look at it).

Also, Yuuki didn't shoot him down. She could have dismissed that statement right away but I think it made her think.



I agree with DJIzzyIzzyHitler
- My opinion on the comment quoted below--- I really think that some users should refrain from calling others stupid or what have you just because their expressing a dislike for what's happening. Last I looked, there wasn't anything on this site that said we COULDN'T express that. It is a discussion forum after all. It's just immature to have that attitude, (and yes, I am aware that I could also be considered immature for saying that, but.... whatever) I don't know someone who hasn't complained about something when it annoyed them. I was under the impression these forums were for us to express our opinions and ideas about the anime/manga series,

That being said even if most of or some of us are unhappy with the twists, there is a point in something where you (Not pointing a finger at anyone, just using the word you as an example), where you spend time on something, so much that you feel it was stupid to stop watching or reading it. At lease for me anyway, and some of my friends.

Usually, If I read past 10-15 chapters of an on-going manga, then I will stay with it. Simply because I spent that much time on it, I might as well finish it.



DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:


Jaymie said:


Nothing in the chapter indicated a Yuuki x Kaname end. It just reinforced that Yuuki and Zero won't end up together, either. But Vampire Knight was described as a tragic romance from the very first volume so legitimate fans have already been emotionally prepared for years for the fact that no one will end up together in the end.well these legitimate fans are expecting WAAAAAAAY to much from a series that disappoints at every turn, i really cant see this series trying to pull off a emotional enduring ending like that especially with the writing of recent



also about your statement that the people complaining are disgusting, i dont know what is more disgusting, people getting so worked up over a stupid ship or someone trying to defend this peice of shit, hint hint, its the ladder



I was disappointed with it until about 2 chapters ago, then I started to like it again. You guys can make of it what you will, but now, I'm finding it less painful to read.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
I like the idea of zero and yuuki not loving eachother because it was all a set up and was merely false love, i say i like that idea cause that means zero can drop that bitch and get with someone he actually deserves, plus he probably wont be held back at the thought of hurting yuuki by trying to off kaname and this time will hopefully suceed

at least we know now that Ruka isn't dead i was wondering about what happened to her since ch84....

but i we still don't see Shiki and Rima after they went to the Vampire Hunter Association >.> ...



anyway i was happy when Yuuki said they can't be together so i can have him for me :q

but she really is an idiot for still wanting to be with Kaname after she knew what he had done o.o...

There's no words to even explain how much this manga is going downhill! The only reason why I am still reading this manga is because of Zero. Out of all characters in this series, I sympathized him the most! And I'll still continue to read it for the sake of him, I don't care anymore if he can't get Yuki, all I want now is for him to get his revenge and live! At first I am all for Zeki, but when Yuki left him I came to the conclusion that Zero deserves someone who's WAY BETTER than that Yuki. Then she came back again to the Academy and I was considerate and thought "You know what? Why not. I am going for Zeki again!" But no...she just had to say this, "I belong to Kaname." Wow...seriously, Yuki?...you came back, join the academy, reconcile your relationship with Zero, somewhat made him feel like there is possible "chance" between you guys, then horribly told him off like that? Pfft, PUH-LEASE...now that you guys are alone in a house together, don't worry, Yuki...Zero knows his place...Zero is not that type to hit on you, okay? So don't freak out so much, girl! -.-



Seriously, Matsuri Hino needs to create a HOT VAMPIRE HUNTRESS character for Zero or something (LOL) and also for the "fans THAT-KNOWS-ZERO-DESERVES-BETTER"...

Well, you people that gave your reasons against Yuuki and Zero have a good point.   

I like Zero,  But I pretty much hate Yuuki,  I have since she got turned by Kaname and went off to live with him after he used Zero.   So although I have wanted a Yuuki x Zero end, it might be better if he found someone a lot nicer than her.   Cause she has not treated him very well at all.   I'm actually hoping that Zero is the only one left alive.   



But what I really think will happen is that Yuuki will be turned human again by being sealed by Kaname like she was as a kid.

I understand everyone's point of views about this chapter, this series has become a real drab lately(but this chapter is starting to show movement to an end)and I too love zero and wished a happy ending. But look at it like this, zero is finally coming to terms with himself and all around him, he is finding the light so be proud of him. He and yuki may never have been anyway because she is a pureblood and she clearly states that she belongs to kaname( whether she wants to or not we don't know, and it doesn't mean it's indicating an end because then again she could still end up with either from the comments that i've read, they show very interesting theories and debates hino surely has us in a whirl). The series has basically helped us to travel with zero through his ups and downs, watching him develop as a character so maybe not now but there must be happiness for him somewhere. At least now he will wan to continue on with life, with purpose and to find that happiness. Plus i'm kinda happy that he is still free and not tied down for us all XD i had to fangirly somewhere!!

p.s. I've always disliked kaname until recently, but I've still kinda understood his reasoning, he simply wanted to pay back his debt to the ancestor who he clearly cared for, yes his way of doing it is very wrong. But over the series I've learnt to sympathize and realized he is just very old and lonely, always being used, and living with the guilt and sorrow of losing the ancestor who sacrificed herself before to fight the purebloods. So you can see why he's turned out so to be the depressed, bitter and   crazy vampire that he is!! besides without his personality he is a beautiful drawing, but I still love our zero more who just seems to get older, mature and better standing in confidence and self realization with a pride in the hunter that he is, whilst kaname becomes more brooding yet still mysterious and with an air of pride. This also has to be my favorite Yuki transformation yet with the edgy clothes and hair, ready for the hunt!!

Yuuki hasn't explicitly stated her feelings for Kaname since she learned of Zero's feelings for her at the beginning of the last arc. Since this arc began, she's cited loneliness, a fear of being alone for eternity, and Kaname being the same species as her as her reasons for being with him. She's referenced how his feelings for her make her sad and are what endear him to her. Kaname admits to putting on an act for Yuuki's sake, both in the first arc as her senior and again in this arc as her brother. Yuuki "fell in love" with Kaname as a child (when she viewed him as her brother) and again as a human (when she viewed him as her senior) when she was only seeing the ideal Kaname, not the real one. After he showed her his past about being the Ancestor, he asked her how she felt, and the only answer she could give him was to start over and render all supposed development during their year together moot. Yuuki isn't obsessed with Kaname, she just doesn't want to spend the eternity alone and Kaname shares the same lifespan as her. He's the safe choice and that's what she's been going with up until this point. Given the fact that Yuuki is a character who has always had insecurities, this shouldn't really be a shocker to anyone.



I want Zero to be with Yuuki because regardless of what some people think, most of her actions revolve around him as much as they do herself. She felt that by being a pureblood, she betrayed him, and that being a vampire was her punishment for hurting Zero. And what are we shown after the timeskip? Her refusing to use her fangs and accept WHAT she is, and Kaname asking if her memories from the past were getting in the way. She didn't just blindly accept Kaname's sins either, she said she felt both angry and sad when Kaname admitted to what he'd done. Angry = angry at Kaname's actions, sad = sad for what had happened, sad because he said he'd done it for her sake. Because Kaname said what he'd done was for her, she felt guilty and she accepted it once. She even says she's committed a terrible sin too when she accepts his sins. o_O Notice though, she has not made the same mistake twice, though she still has that guilt complex.



Yuuki isn't intentionally hurting Zero, and Zero is the one who fell in love with her. He could have moved on, he could have fallen for someone else, but it's been made perfectly clear that despite her flaws Yuuki is Zero's happiness. That's the point of Kaien's dialogue about one of Yagari's students "grasping the sunlight" when he watches Zero leave with Yuuki. If Zero loves Yuuki despite all the b.s. some fans see, does it really matter if he's with her in the end?



And Yuuki would not just be "jumping on to Zero," when they've had development from the start, when she's expressed romantic interest in him (Zero being the cause of Kaname's blood not sating her = romantic attachment, IMO, though whether it's equal or greater to her feelings for Kaname is up to you) and there's been no love declarations for Kaname this arc, no joy over being Kaname's fiancee, no reference of it at all except to say she promised him as a child but wasn't even sure he felt that strongly about her o_O If her feelings changed in that one year that her and Zero were apart, there has to be a reason, especially if the Kaname she fell in love with was an ideal and not the real thing.



At any rate, I like Zeki because of their dynamics and both Zero AND Yuuki, not just Zero. I also didn't have to sit through some of the more excruciating months with Yuuki's behaviour, since I'm somewhat of a new fan. So, that may be why I'm not as harsh on her as others.



Edit: If Zeki is endgame, it will be because Yuuki realized he was the one she loved more, which has been hinted throughout this arc and foreshadowed with the typical shoujo cliches from day one. It will not be because Kaname started doing bad things and Yuuki decided Zero was the better choice. If she genuinely loved Kaname for who he is, his crimes would not matter, even if they made her angry/sad/disappointed/etc.

I've never liked Kaname since the first moment words came out of his mouth. Now, just the sight of his stupid face makes me want to flip the page without reading anything. And Yuuki makes it so damn worst with every irrational thing she says too! Yuuki used to be one of my favorite characters, and I can't, and probably won't, ever dislike her but... for god's sakes woman... WAKE UP! Kaname is a manipulative bastard who should spend the rest of eternity back in that coffin. Yuuki and Zero belong together. They have so much chemistry, it's oozing out of the pages. I really hope Yuuki realizes who's the better man soon. >.>