Vampire Knight Chapter 86 Discussion

Aww, I'm glad I'm not the only one who kept reading this for Zero. ;w;

I give up on Zeki... it would be nice, but... Yuuki does not even deserve him.

She was a cool character once, but she threw it all away to be an obedient little pureblood for a guy she's "fated to be with." Gag.

My only solace is that it is finally ending... so we can all get some closure and leave this crap behind forever.

Hopefully Zero will be happy and Kaname will die. As for Yuuki... I don't even care at this point.



@DJIzzy: Yes I do remember when the manga was good. Those were the days, huh. : (

Itami-chan said:
Okay, does anyone have any idea when this might get wrapped up? If Zero gets cut out of the picture, I'm going to run, screaming out of this fandom like a distressed whale. VK as a whole is just driving me crazy.



Second arc is supposed to be longer than the first. The rumour is it will end at 100 chapters, but in order to be longer than the first arc it would have to be a minimum of 11 volumes (which would be 105 chapters).



And I doubt Zero will get cut out of the picture, as it seems this last arc is meant to revolve around his character as much as it is Kaname's. (I say this because Zero is looking for answers about what in his past was manipulated and he's chosen to go on this journey with Yuuki). I highly doubt Zero would die as well.



RantingPrincess said:
Wow! Good observation there! I didn't realize that at all. I guess there is still hope for the Zeki fans after all.



Definitely! ^^ I'd also point out to the people frustrated with Yuuki, that she's doing the same thing this arc as Zero did last arc. (Pushing him away because she doesn't feel she's right for him)

I feel sick to my stomach... Yuuki... with Kaname? After all of this?

I suffered through the wretched Yume moments for nothing? Zero gets nothing?

Honestly, I wish I never started reading the manga or watched the anime. Then I wouldn't be all upset about a character I empathize with. And since it's fiction I can't do a thing to change it.

What the &*^$ do people see in Kaname? Ya know what, nevermind. I don't even want to know how anyone can like him.

*goes in a corner and whimpers*

i hope in next chapter we'll be able to approche some answers....i understand^_^ glad you don't hate him...and i agree whatever we say ,Matsuri will have the word and i think we should expect the last expected.....and i'm wonderring why did kaname decided to persue her will,why not before or after? Is he really starting again? And i agree about zero , he used to be kind a close gothik kid all he wanted was to kill vampires(wich is pretty justified ,they kill his family) and he used to hide his feelings especially the feelings he has for yuki(he said he wants to kill her next time they'll meet but he really cares for her) in this chapter we see a little bit a  satteled zero....Takuma is loyale to kaname or use to (as a friend) we'll see, still have to disagree ,yuki do love kaname she didn't stayed because he left!(as a character i like kaname but as for pairing i was reliefed that kaname isn't her brother ,otherwise i would not accepted it ) But if he wants her to kill him then she won't be alone for eternity??? Kaname i love him but he is so mysterious....hope Hino will make a better chapter so we can still enjoy this manga

Its pretty sad that so many people hate Kaname! :( But well to be frank i do hope that zero can find happiness although i m not a big of fan of him... Hopefully Zero can end up with  Yuki and Kaname can end up with the ancestor or me? >.<

Well this was quite a chapter really. Just a couple of things on the chapter I wanted to say.



I liked the kaito and zero moment. Their interaction was sweet as kaito in his own way was worrying and trying to watch out for zero sort of like an older brother. I'm glad zero has someone like that on his side watching his back for him. ^^



This chapter though did not solve the LT. There are still several things that need addressing before that. One being what does Yuuki feel for zero as she has not yet answered this question, she also hasn't said how she see's the current kaname so that needs addressing too.



I initially like the "belong" line as a Yume fan, but then when I looked at the word belong I wasn't so sure on it. Its a bit too much like Yuuki see's herself as an object and not a person in the relationship and I really want hino to address and clear that up.



HikaruIzumi said:
I can't help but wonder how the hell can people see Zeki as the "good" end for Zero. Up until now, Yuuki stated several times that she wants to be with Kaname even though she is trying to stop him by all means. If she were to simply jump on to Zero, her words would mean nothing at all. Do you really want a girl, whose words are completely meaningless and she will jump ships when she sees fit, to date your favourite character? Really? If Yuuki wasn't so obsessed with Kaname, it would be understandable how she could simply "jump onto" Zero. But after everything she said, how much she loved him and how much she wanted to be with him etc. she should simply forget all of that and date Zero? And call that "happy ending"? When your favourite character ends up with someone so fake and selfish? If anything, Zero would deserve someone who would actually give a damn about him and his problems, not someone who is hurting and ignoring him for fun yet expecting him to be happy about it.



I agree with quite a few things you've said. Personally one reason why I could not ship zeki is that Yuuki has been so single minded sometimes when it comes to Kaname. Like at the end of arc one after she finds out kaname used zero how does she respond? "Taint me too oniisama." Not exactly what you'd want her to say if you want her with zero as it showed quite a disregard for him really and what he went through. Yuuki's always been so open in her feelings towards Kaname in front of Zero, I do feel sorry for the guy a lot as Yuuki does say things that's got to hurt him. IMO he deserves someone better and who can give him a whole heart dedicated to him.



Hino could do zeki and do it well but certain things about the pairing would not sit well with me with how hino has done things with them in the past.

I'm really starting to love Vampire Knight (and not just for the art like I used to). The majority of us are Team Zero and I don't think it's an accident that most of us are Zero fans. And if you think beyond the love triangle being just about which boy she likes more, you see Yuuki caught between who she's supposed to be, the vampire princess and wife of the ancestor that she feels a responsibility to be, especially since that's who her parents who died for her expected she would marry Kaname, and who she actually is and who she actually loves. She's caught having to choose between her happiness and responsibilities, and I find Yuuki admirable for trying so hard to live up to all those responsibilities. Now that Kaname appears to have gone berserk, she feels a responsibility to go against him and she's terribly confused right now but she's hiding it in order to be the just and kind leader of the vampires, especially since most of the purebloods are insane. She undeniably loves Zero but feels like she shouldn't be with him. Don't hate on Yuuki for picking Kaname, she's just confused, she loves Zero, don't worry!

nice chapter overall, its been a while since ive had a chapter ive truly liked



the manga is waay better when its zero and yuuki together (almost) like how they used to be, i still feel sorry for zero, he gets screwed over alot and gets so much shit thrown at him but he still manages to move forward



i also like the poetry of this chapter and how zero is truly wondering if all the feelings he once held were actually false and orchestrated by kaname, its sad because kaname planned out his family's downfall and his meeting with yuuki, Did kaname plan for zero to fall in love with yuuki so he would protect her? Was he manipulating his feelings right from the very beginning?



what i didn't like was yuuki suddenly declaring that she still belongs to kaname, but it suits her character to be loyal to her fiancée and i would be worried if she started to suddenly take interest in zero, but it was still mean of her to friend-zone zero