Pluto Chapter 65 Discussion

Sin said:
Way too many loose ends, and Tharacia's computer was way too underdeveloped, along with Brau-1589. I was originally going to give it a 9/10, but it was demoted to an 8/10. It was still decent, though nowhere near 20th Century Boys status.



This whole manga I found to be a tad overrated. I personally think it gets too much hype since the author's made two other brilliant stories (Monster/20th Century Boys), but in reality I found I didn't really give a shit about any of the characters lol.



i pretty much agree

Fantastic read. Great story.  Anti-climatic ending.

I just finished reading Pluto and I do not think that it was every reviled who was that human who jumped between building and what their purpose was because it was that scene that caused me get into the manga I do not think that I have found an answer, could somebody help me.

A special Urasawa class 10 from me.




So do androids  dream of electric sheep?

grandy_UiD said:
I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.



I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.I agree to the first part but brau killed roosevelt because atom told him to in their final meaning, atom gave the last bit of hatred he was feeling and let it pass on to Brau.

insan3priest said:
Great stuff, am I the only one to think that 20th Century Boys was weak compared to this and Monster?



I know this post was written long ago, but eh.



I feel the same way. I actually prefer Pluto over Monster, and Monster over 20th Century Boys. The key reason why is length. I felt that since Pluto only had 8 volumes of story, it felt far more focused. 20th Century Boys had some problems in that front, because it was just too long. Urasawa has a tendency to be too ambitious with his works, so the final acts of all of his manga tend to experience some collapse from all the characters and plot points he adds in.

Uh, what's with the people calling it cliffhanger, it's a perfectly easy to understand ending, as for the bear - it could have even been just an hypotethical existance and the manga would still be great.



But if you realy want someone as much as come and point a finger for you, I guess I can give it a go - from the last dialog between brau and bear, we can pretty much guess that they are acquaintainces for one reason or another - this leads to a conclusion that is highly likely to be:

They are originally similiar model of robot - specifically the 'perfect AI'



Don't forget the name Roosweld(can't remember exact wording, but something similiar at the very least) which the bear bears(I couldn't skip making that pun!)..this could be just for convenience, but it could also mean that he is similiar to Atom and Abra, as in someone else's consciousness was implanted into him.

And the idea behind that person was probably something along the lines of eden project prosperity, while at the same time - hatred for the rest of humanity.





As for the manga itself - I loved the plot, but it was not the thing that I enjoyed the most - most entangling was the unique world it had, it's realy an out of line view on how humanity could develop. I saw a tonn of sci fi settings, but none of them were ones I could take seriously, but this one had realy suitable policies, as in I could accept such world easily. It may not be perfect or too complex, but it shines in it's own way.



Even though it's not something as grand as monster or 20th century boys - it certainly is worth looking at.

I avoided this manga for a few years, since the reviews despite being highly ranked were uninspiring, and not discribing the most important details, which would actually promore the manga further.



A 9/10 from me.

I don't really gate the distaste towards the open ending. It's a common thing in Urasawa's work. The whole Dr Rossvelt thing reminded me of the "Future" story arc of "Phoenix" manga by Osamu Tezuka, it also had a powerful supercomputer telling humans what to do. So Urasawa probably made a reference.