Behemoth11 said:
Again: nope. Naruto forgave Obito, he even called him 'the coolest guy' just because he wanted to become Hokage. But that's simply a judgement of the books cover.
He reduces Obitos character and his involvement to sympathize with him. That kind of
pattern is known in the Shōnen-Genre, but Narutos case is one of the worst I have ever seen.
Whether he called him the "coolest" guy or not is a problem of translation, there's the same page somewhere else where he says "I can't see him as anything else but awesome".
Respecting the dead people does not equal to forgiveness, we'll agree to disagree on that, until he actually makes a long speech about how good Obito is, and how saddened he feels by his departure, then I'll take it as if he was forgiven, for now, he simply atoned for his sins which changed Naruto's opinion of him, nothing more.
Madaras conclusion is based on a whole lifetime of fighting and enduring. And there lies truth in Madaras words.
Obito never participated in a war, except the current one. It's useless to compare Madara and Obito in this context. Obito only lost Rin, how can you say he had to endure 'too much pain', huh? As I said before: try to be more objective, please.
In the end everyone has a choice. Obito had the chance to never return to Madaras hideout. He was already 15 years-if I remember correctly- at that time.
He was 13-14, not 15, Madara's conclusion was based on reading the Uchiha stone, nothing more. It is barely his own vision, anyone would find out that CHAKRA is the source of "endless suffering", unless you're brain dead that is.
Madara participated in a few wars, which gave him experience, but nothing more than that, it does not put him in a position above Obito, trust me, he's as foolish and moronic.
No, Obito never had the choice to return to Madara's hideout, Madara himself plotted it, try to be more "objective" yourself and re-read the pages where he takes his rinnegan back, he even put a seal on his heart for a reason.
He said that EVEN if Kakashi didn't kill Rin, he would have done it himself, he saw Obito's potential to shift away from the light and get engulfed in darkness.
He planned the whole thing, just to force him to stare in the darkness, and find reason in Madara's plan, you do not realize what BRAINWASHING and MANIPULATION mean, in his case, considering he was not as mature and wise as Itachi, he got fooled by a retarded thug.
There's also a reason as to why Black Zetsu compared Madara to Obito, he's not any different, Madara was as foolish, whether he participated in wars or not didn't matter, once an uchiha endures PAIN whether it is by the death of one or a million, they will turn away from the right path.
The intensity of the pain does not matter, and the sharingan abilities reflect your emotions, if Obito earned a god-tier sharingan, then yes, in his stead, it was too much pain to handle.
I really had to stop reading at first after reading the last part. Naruto sympathized with Nagato as well as Obito. Because of it, Nagato has used Rinne Tensei to save the people of Konoha. Yeah, Nagatos trust based on Narutos decision to forgave him.
Or Nagato's trust based on Naruto's ideals, he believed in Naruto and wanted to see what his answer was, I do not think he would care about being forgiven, you're misreading or definitely not getting to the right point. Because as Jiraiya's disciple, he was given the task to break the curse of hatred, Nagato wanted to find assurance by interrogating Naruto.
Either way, he did forgive Nagato, but Obito? You wouldn't know yet, it's not one line that sells it all.
That's kinda nonsene. Nagato did far more. He was a member of the Akatsuki who killed also Jinchūriki(Naruto knew that), he killed Hanzō and his whole family, everyone who had a connection to Hanzo actually. Nagato was out of his mind.
That's all? Hanzo who forced him to kill Yahiko? And?
Hanzo deserved it, he got fooled by Danzo and strayed from the path, it's called justice. Whether you agreed with Nagato or not is your own problem, and mindset, it definitely was well-deserved like how Obito's death was.
Nagato killed a lot, but his kill count definitely won't rise up to Obito's, Nagato was still naive to begin with, he fought for what he thought was right, he didn't kill people randomly on a whim.
...and still wanted to be with her together. Even as an 'adult'. He never got rid of those feelings for a thirteen years old girl. -.-
And? That's called love, manga and real life logic are different, why are you trying to make them collide with one another?
You do not realize how ridiculous your statements become, right after you add the "lolicon" part, no one will be able to take you seriously or even bother arguing any further, because it's immature, childish, old, and nonsensical, the worst use of the word I've seen.
I'm not going to go any further with this argument, there's just no point to begin with, the character has died and is leaving space for the fight, we'll agree to disagree, let the manga give one of us the right to boast off, simple as that. |
