Naruto Chapter 687 Discussion

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  • #162
The amount of mockery in this post is sad.

And the biased stupidities, you didn't like the guy? Good, how about you mop the floor and spread your cancerous thinking process somewhere else?

At least he wasn't a hobo that used Izanagi on his own eye to revive himself (lolwat?) and then got a power-up just to die shortly after: "Madara".

Now that's what you call a "bad" villain, that and Kaguya being the worst of them all.

At least Obito was once Tobi, who was a true villain and stayed one, until he got Talk no Jutsu'd, there's a reason as to why he was the main antagonist and not Madara.

Madara has no purpose and is still clueless, he loses his brother and decides magically to ruin his friendship with Hashirama and become a retarded thug, thus leading to more wars.

Obito, for the same purpose, losing a close one, did truly follow the same path at some point, but his HAS some explanation, he was used. Madara was used by Black Zetsu, however, he followed his own path and he had the choices to do so, Black Zetsu merely used him once he noticed the potential to awaken the rinnegan in him which was way later.







Also, it's obvious that Naruto has not completely forgiven Obito, he's merely giving him the occasion to atone for his sins, that and he could relate to him at some point, whether he has killed his family and ruined his life is irrelevant.

Naruto hasn't forgiven Nagato, has he? Right?

It doesn't matter how much killing you do, what tells you he even forgives him?

Nothing, he's only honoring his death, and there's a thing that's common, you respect the dead, this is also a manga, I don't know why you're trying to compare it with reality.



There's no villain in Naruto, only people who endured pain, in real life, there's a difference, NO one endured pain and strayed from the path, they have selfish desires, nothing more.



So keep your "Obito is garbage, useless" assumptions to yourself, because you're no more than garbage on a train track, ready to be run over by your idiotic thinking. If anything, you would feel bad for a character that had compassion and violently strayed from the path, if you would question yourself about what you would do if you had led the same life, I believe you would suicide like a moron with no objective, or simply act like "garbage" (the word is very fitting) and cry in a corner.

You're definitely in a position to be judgmental there.



Half the people making pointless critics and complaining about a character that has made more logic than most of the cast who joined the akatsuki is sad.

He killed countless people and deserved that death, but for you to even force your opinion onto others by going like "LOL WHY YOU LIKE HIM? I'M A PIECE OF TRASH MYSELF AND I FAIL AT LIFE, BUT HE'S GARBAGE MAN, I HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE SO I'M GOING TO TYPE OUT THE HORRIBLE TASTE I HAVE IN CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT", this says it all.



In the end, considering a lot of the people that criticize the character have ecchi/hentai animes labeled as favorite, I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't use the minimum percentage of brain activity, let alone having functional brain cells.



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Obito finally died, not completely atoning for his sins, but achieved redemption regardless. It was a good run, from ally to villain and back to ally, looking back into the manga, he has achieved quite a lot of "good" and "bad" things.

Sasuke and Naruto are finally going to lead the charge, with Kakashi being a little useless there and Sakura being wounded with no chakra left.

This will be interesting to know as to what will happen to those two.



Overall 4/5 Chapter, slow paced story but nicely told, filled with a depressive atmosphere and ended with a comeback.

 
  • #163
If you guys wanna talk like that,lacking the due respect for Kishi's work and caracters,then you guys are wasting your time,I am afraid.Naruto isn't perfect,it takes too long,it drags,there are the perhaps misplaced flashbacks...but it's still one of jump's pillars...and it deserves it.



You guys are like ants compared to the real fans and appreciators of his work.

He could care less about your opinions,and you guys don't understand nor will get Naruto's theme.if that's the case,then there is no point in reading this manga.Do yourselves a favor and get lost.



You guys probably don't  buy the physical volumes though,you bitch about the food,while eating for free.That's childish and pitiful.Hell,even if some of you buy,the loss won't be great.Know your place.I know mine,and it's isn't here.So,go on bitching.Turn this forum into shit itself.
 
  • #164
Behemoth11 said:
Man_of_Sin said:
Behemoth11 said:
Kinda boring again. :|





Hitashi said:
Who was that guy in the baackground on the 6th page?



Sakura.



She wasn't on a cliff last chapter and was on Kaguya's right side.



Yeah, last chapter. Naruto and Kaguya would also feel any other chakra-signature.It depends, no-one knows who he is. He could be someone who has hidden his presence/chakra completely.



Masashi-senpai wouldn't draw a random tiny body back there.
 
  • #165
Some nice layer and detail that I noticed for those who care about Obito.










       

Obito did exactly Naruto's idea of a Hokage. He walked in front of everyone else, and died for the sake of creating a path for Naruto.



I'm still happy about this chapter. Really strong and impactful scenes in it. I hope the next chapter is not dimension hopping, major plot developments need to happen.
 
  • #166
It was about goddamn time that obito died , thank god.



And Naruto keeps being that ignorant moron, yes cry for the person that caused your parents death, he was awesome (not!).
 
  • #167
Behemoth11 said:
Sure, I understand that, but many readers-me included- can't cast Obitos sins aside. He killed way to much people and did so many really stupid things to be called a great guy after all. Even if he's his old, former self again who wanted to become Hokage. I don't believe Naruto has cast Obito's sins aside either. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that it depends on your perspective; is Naruto talking about kid Obito or adult Obito? "Was" may refer to him before BZ and Madara corrupted him (which is before he commit any sins, and hence when he "was" awesome), or it may refer to him before he died (which is after he committed sins). If it's the latter then I'm going to have to say this is horrible writing, if it's the former I'm going to have to say that either the translations are bad, or Kishi is being far too broad.
 
  • #168
xDantey said:


No, it is irrelevant. Simply because Naruto's role is to stop the cycle of hatred, if you tell him to never forgive Obito or never give him the ability to atone, then what's the point? Naruto will become another Obito and it will be no different, he'll talk to Obito the same way Obito talked to Kakashi and blamed Minato.



Again: nope. Naruto forgave Obito, he even called him 'the coolest guy' just because he wanted to become Hokage. But that's simply a judgement of the books cover.

He reduces Obitos character and his involvement to sympathize with him. That kind of

pattern is known in the Shōnen-Genre, but Narutos case is one of the worst I have ever seen.



xDantey said:


Madara saw his family die, big whoop, Sasuke saw the Uchiha clan perish, Itachi had to kill them.

Both Obito and Madara lived during the war, they endured too much pain, except that Madara strayed from the path without giving it a single thought, Obito was skeptical as to what Madara told him, and he was going to go back to Rin and Kakashi before he was used.

He was forced to TURN bad.  Madara wasn't, he was given a choice, whether it is understandable or not does not make a difference, in the end, he became a villain right after he was offered a home and a friendship with Hashirama, he had everything and achieved his and Hashirama's dream.



http://s7.directupload.net/images/140730/p2g4922s.jpg



Madaras conclusion is based on a whole lifetime of fighting and enduring. And there lies truth in Madaras words.

Obito never participated in a war, except the current one. It's useless to compare Madara and Obito in this context. Obito only lost Rin, how can you say he had to endure 'too much pain', huh? As I said before: try to be more objective, please.

In the end everyone has a choice. Obito had the chance to never return to Madaras hideout. He was already 15 years-if I remember correctly- at that time.



xDantey said:


Forgiving someone to follow your objective or your master's ideal does not equal to true forgiveness, let alone mutual understanding. This is merely him forcing himself to forgive someone, also, even if he did, in the end, he took time to forgive him.us unlike Obito, (Nagato only killed his master, caused minor casualties and revived a good number of people.)



I really had to stop reading at first after reading the last part. Naruto sympathized with Nagato as well as Obito. Because of it, Nagato has used Rinne Tensei to save the people of Konoha. Yeah, Nagatos trust based on Narutos decision to forgave him. As for your last statement:



That's kinda nonsene. Nagato did far more. He was a member of the Akatsuki who killed also Jinchūriki(Naruto knew that), he killed Hanzō and his whole family, everyone who had a connection to Hanzo actually. Nagato was out of his mind.



xDantey said:


Either way, one last thing, the "lolicon" part was not needed, he was at the same age as her when he fell in love with her,



...and still wanted to be with her together. Even as an 'adult'. He never got rid of those feelings for a thirteen years old girl. -.-
 
  • #169
vongola-undecimo said:
FINALLY........OBITO IS DEAD.........i think







WAIT..........WHAT?????!!!!
































......cuz if there's is one thing we can all agree on it's that anyone can see the "coolness" oozing from this heroic figure

This x 1000

This fucking wins best MAL Post of the year.



Well Obito finally, actually died. It was quite overdue
 
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